Conservatism and Behavior

Bryan · June 5, 2015

"ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION, ECOCIDE, AND THE PERVERSION OF DEMOCRACY".

If these are the kinds of crockpots you're getting your information from, it's no wonder your perception is so far removed from reality.

Mighty AC · June 5, 2015

If these are the kinds of crockpots you're getting your information from, it's no wonder your perception is so far removed from reality.

The link succinctly shows how the Harper government has axed and cut the systems and positions that collect scientific and environmental data as well as the departments that report the findings to the public. Do you disagree with list of closures and cuts presented in the link?

This link was included to show that beyond the extensive cuts to and removal of environmental protections Harper's government has made it very difficult for the results of our decimated laws and policies to even be detected or reported. He then went on to make it illegal for charities to combat the Conservative assault on environmental protections.

Edited June 5, 2015 by Mighty AC

Derek 2.0 · June 5, 2015

The link succinctly shows how the Harper government has axed and cut the systems and positions that collect scientific and environmental data as well as the departments that report the findings to the public. Do you disagree with list of closures and cuts presented in the link?

Every Government department (except Veterans Affairs), 60+ in total, were required to find 5% and 10% annual savings from within their budgets.....With Environment Canada reducing namely large salary staff scientists that very much so analyzed data and samples, choosing instead to contract out data assessment to private industry and academia........

The better question, why would it harm the environment by having air and water samples being studied by less expensive labs then staff scientists employed by the Federal Government?

One would think, if one was concerned with the government's environmental record and aura of secrecy, combined with climate change denial, third party labs would be at arms length and less able to be silenced or controlled by the Harper Governments "agenda".......

poochy · June 5, 2015

When i think about Canada I see a country that has only gotten more liberal, more progressive in recent decades, im more conservative, but in the middle on a lot of things, like most Canadians i couldn't care less about issues like gay marriage, or abortion, we have them and good, im sure there are a great many things that wouldn't be traditionally considered conservative that most conservatives don't much care about. The problem is that even though conservatives have changed and accepted a great many progressive ideals as the new normal, there is no compromise from the left on any subject, they have a complete and utter belief that their ideology is the only one the must be considered in all areas at all times. You can see this here everyday, you can't even speak about statistical normality while espousing your belief for equality, without being called a bigot by some extremist, The world can never be progressive enough for them, as if that word and those beliefs must be the correct view at all times, it is a little frightening how self assured in their righteousness they are.

Maybe the current government has pushed back in some areas, maybe too much, maybe not enough, but they have done nothing like the secret agenda nonsense that i have no doubt some here still believe in, but that sort of belief, or the talk of fascism in our government is not so much borne out of their actions as it is from the extremist, its our way or the highway view point of those who oppose them and anything they consider not progressive, will we ever have progressed enough or will we need to go full Marxism? Im not in love with this government either, but then I have actually voted in other ways, i doubt that some here have ever had it cross their minds, which shows only how closed minded they truly are. In fact, im thinking about voting NDP, perhaps i need to seek medical attention.

Edited June 5, 2015 by poochy

Canada_First · June 5, 2015

Poochy, that is an excellent post. I completely agree with you. I have voted in all directions at one time in my life or another and am considering voting for the NDP. The NDP scare me though so I'm not sure yet. I need to see more from these leaders. For me Mr. Trudeau is not getting my vote for sure, 100% no. He's just too young and not ready to lead a country. I can see him PM in 5-10 years but not yet, it is too soon.

I also haven't thought about how uncompromising the "left wing" is in this day and age but it seems true doesn't it. Anywhere where you hear left wing types they are fanatical about their positions and are unwilling or unable to compromise at all. Not even a little bit. They seem to take an extremist position. Meanwhile expecting everyone else to compromise fully while they needn't move an inch. I too am worried about their end game. Is it full on communism? I don't know. That's what scares about the NDP. I see the nightmare that the UK is in right now due to "left wing" management. I don't want that for Canada.

Mighty AC · June 5, 2015

The better question, why would it harm the environment by having air and water samples being studied by less expensive labs then staff scientists employed by the Federal Government?

One would think, if one was concerned with the government's environmental record and aura of secrecy, combined with climate change denial, third party labs would be at arms length and less able to be silenced or controlled by the Harper Governments "agenda".......

This isn't being done, but you know that. Thousands of water bodies are no longer protected and many are no longer tested for contaminants.

You don't even believe what you posted here...so why do it? You know why Harper eliminated and eased protections, testing and reporting practices. You know why data was destroyed. You know why they essentially ended project environmental assessments and public consultations. You know why CPC climate policy is the worst in the developed world and why they attempt to interfere with world agreements. You also know why they now harass environmental charities and made it illegal for them to fight for environmental standards or even raise awareness.

If, like Harper, you feel that fossil fuel companies need not be accountable for the safe extraction and transport of their products and should be free to trash our shared resources like our land, air and water, then own it. If you think Harper's policies here are correct, then why do you feel the need to paint a false picture of what is being done?

I suspect you know it's wrong and that Canadians know it's wrong yet you abide by some BS political 'gotta support the team' mentality.

TimG · June 5, 2015

This isn't being done, but you know that. Thousands of water bodies are no longer protected and many are no longer tested for contaminants.

The environment is a provincial responsibility. Why don't you take it up with them?

On Guard for Thee · June 5, 2015

The environment is a provincial responsibility. Why don't you take it up with them?

Umm, sorry. perhaps you may have heard of Environment Canada...

Mighty AC · June 5, 2015

The environment is a provincial responsibility. Why don't you take it up with them?

LMAO! Actually, if you can find a way to pin horrendous science and environmental policy on a low level staffer, the CPC would like to hear from you.

TimG · June 5, 2015

LMAO! Actually, if you can find a way to pin horrendous science and environmental policy on a low level staffer, the CPC would like to hear from you.

You can't avoid the point: environment is under the jurisdiction of provinces. The feds have only been involved because feds have traditionally pushed into every area that they could. Can you provide any argument for why the federal government should intrude in an area of provincial juristition? Are you saying the provincial governments (many who are Liberal or NDP) are unable to perform the duties required of them? If so, why is that the Federal government's fault? Edited June 5, 2015 by TimG

On Guard for Thee · June 5, 2015

You can't avoid the point: environment is under the jurisdiction of provinces. The feds have only been involved because feds have traditionally pushed into every area that they could. Can you provide any argument for why the federal government should intrude in an area of provincial juristition? Are you saying the provincial governments (many who are Liberal or NDP) are unable to perform the duties required of them? If so, why is that the Federal government's fault?

Perhaps have a read of the opening line of this page

http://www.ec.gc.ca/alef-ewe/default.asp?lang=En&n=F30B6366-1

Of course Im sure Harper has done, and will continue to do, his level best to shirk that responsibility.

Mighty AC · June 5, 2015

You can't avoid the point: environment is under the jurisdiction of provinces. The feds have only been involved because feds have traditionally pushed into every area that they could. Can you provide any argument for why the federal government should intrude in an area of provincial juristition? Are you saying the provincial governments (many who are Liberal or NDP) are unable to perform the duties required of them? If so, why is that the Federal government's fault?

Wow, I thought that you must have been joking. As already pointed out by On Guard for Thee there are many federal laws pertaining to the environment and the federal government is also responsible for our international environmental commitments. If you're interested you can read about how the Harper Government hid dozens of attacks on the environment in one fast racked, 400+ page, omnibus bill that altered or erased over 70 laws, with little to no debate. http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/05/10/Bill-C38/

Certainly some Conservatives are unaware of the decimation of environmental standards and research perpetrated by the Harper Government; however, I seriously doubt your are. If you agree with Harper's moves to give fossil fuel companies free reign to spill, plunder and destroy and then eliminate our ability to measure and report on the damage, then why try to mask the problem? Own it, defend it. But...it's not okay is it? If this government's dealings with science and the environment were considered to be acceptable, CPC fanboys probably wouldn't feel the need to lie and obscure the issue.

Derek 2.0 · June 6, 2015

This isn't being done, but you know that. Thousands of water bodies are no longer protected and many are no longer tested for contaminants.

It isn't? Says who? The union representing former Government scientists? Which water bodies are no longer being tested?

And why do we need the Federal Government to do this?

You don't even believe what you posted here...so why do it? You know why Harper eliminated and eased protections, testing and reporting practices. You know why data was destroyed. You know why they essentially ended project environmental assessments and public consultations. You know why CPC climate policy is the worst in the developed world and why they attempt to interfere with world agreements. You also know why they now harass environmental charities and made it illegal for them to fight for environmental standards or even raise awareness.

Sure I believe it, likewise I believe you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.......when after all, it is the Provinces that conduct Environmental assessments, likewise both enforcement of laws and regulations.......

If, like Harper, you feel that fossil fuel companies need not be accountable for the safe extraction and transport of their products and should be free to trash our shared resources like our land, air and water, then own it. If you think Harper's policies here are correct, then why do you feel the need to paint a false picture of what is being done?

I suspect you know it's wrong and that Canadians know it's wrong yet you abide by some BS political 'gotta support the team' mentality.

Let me know when Harper guts each Provinces own Ministry of Environment..........inversely why taxpayers need duplicity with the Federal Government........

Likewise, let me know when you acknowledge that the Harper Government has enacted strict environmental regulations on two of the largest polluting sectors within Canada, transportation and power generation......

Derek 2.0 · June 6, 2015

You can't avoid the point: environment is under the jurisdiction of provinces. The feds have only been involved because feds have traditionally pushed into every area that they could. Can you provide any argument for why the federal government should intrude in an area of provincial juristition? Are you saying the provincial governments (many who are Liberal or NDP) are unable to perform the duties required of them? If so, why is that the Federal government's fault?

Exactly........for example, the Federal Government wide cuts won't impact the BC Ministry of Environment.....which as you pointed out, actually enforces laws and conducts environmental studies within British Columbia.

eyeball · June 6, 2015

We should round up all the conservatives, put them into love camps, feed them LSD and make them watch Nature of Things re-runs until they get with the program.

Kumbiya ya'll.

TimG · June 6, 2015

there are many federal laws pertaining to the environment and the federal government

There are federal laws for health care even though there is no constitutional role. The feds simply use control over taxes to force their way in. If the feds vacate an area the provinces can fill the gap. Why aren't you blaming the provinces for failing to step up after the feds vacated an area where they should not have been in involved in the first place? Seem to me this a pure partisan posturing rather than a legitimate complaint.

Derek 2.0 · June 6, 2015

We should round up all the conservatives, put them into love camps, feed them LSD and make them watch Nature of Things re-runs until they get with the program.

Kumbiya ya'll.

You've suggested such action prior, one problem with that plan though:

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eyeball · June 6, 2015

I wonder what Mao Tse-Tung would make of the suits that have been running his People's government?

Power grows even better out of an investment portfolio.

(eyeball)

On Guard for Thee · June 6, 2015

We should round up all the conservatives, put them into love camps, feed them LSD and make them watch Nature of Things re-runs until they get with the program.

Kumbiya ya'll.

Something tells me they are already on drugs, probably paid for by the CHA.

Derek 2.0 · June 6, 2015

Power grows even better out of an investment portfolio.

(eyeball)

Right, hence your continued laughable assertion of rounding up your political opponents...........kinda hard to throw a civil war sans lawyers, guns and money

Bryan · June 6, 2015

The environment is a provincial responsibility. Why don't you take it up with them?

That's really what's going on is pretty much every case that lefties try to claim that the feds "cut" anything. All that really happened was they reduced layers of redundancy.

cybercoma · June 6, 2015

Poochy, that is an excellent post. I completely agree with you. I have voted in all directions at one time in my life or another and am considering voting for the NDP. The NDP scare me though so I'm not sure yet.

Read their platform. Hold them accountable.

PIK · June 8, 2015

We can thank the liberal news media for portraying conservatives or any other that feels, that society is going down hill fast as bigoted. That is all they have left to fight us, call people names. It seems most on the left have no problem with anything perverse today. People need to realize that is what is happening with the west, no wonder Muslims hate our way of life.

Michael Hardner · June 8, 2015

That is all they have left to fight us, call people names.

I don't normally point these things out but: certainly you're not above making slights and insults, so I'm kind of surprised to see you saying that. I sure hope you don't live in a glass house.

Mighty AC · June 9, 2015

The environment is a provincial responsibility. Why don't you take it up with them?

That's really what's going on is pretty much every case that lefties try to claim that the feds "cut" anything. All that really happened was they reduced layers of redundancy.

Is this willful ignorance or just repeated sound bites picked up a some Conservative circle jerk? The following acts and programs are all federal responsibilities and have been weakened, cut or undermined by the Harper regime to make extracting and transporting tarsands as easy and cheap as possible:

Canadian Environmental Assessment Act,  Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency, Canadian Environmental Protection Act, Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act, Fisheries Act, Navigable Waters Protection Act, Energy Board Act, Species at Risk Act, Parks Canada Agency Act, Canadian Oil and Gas Operations, Coasting Trade Act, Nuclear Safety Control, Canada Seeds Act, Prairie Farm Rehabilitation Act, National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy, Water Programs, Wastewater Survey, Environment Canada.