eyeball Posted June 6, 2015 Report Posted June 6, 2015 Well, like I said, I was born here. This is just as much my country. Now you're talking. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Smallc Posted June 6, 2015 Report Posted June 6, 2015 Now you're talking. That's always been my position - that people should be the same. I can't extend that to earthlings though, sorry, the world isn't ready for that. Quote
jacee Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 Well, like I said, I was born here. This is just as much my country. I'm just poking the cranky bears. . Quote
jacee Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 Ontario Premier http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/toronto/kathleen-wynne-calls-federal-response-to-trc-study-disappointing-1.3103491 Saskatchewan Premier http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/saskatchewan/saskatchewan-premier-brad-wall-promises-top-level-meeting-over-trc-recommendations-1.310 Globe and Mail http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/trc-report-a-good-start-but-now-its-time-for-action/article24824924/?service=mobile "Almost a century later, the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples prescribed 440 ways to improve the relationship between indigenous peoples and the rest of Canada, laying out a 20-year plan whose implementation would cost tens of billions of dollars, and resistance to which has likely squandered even more than that sum in court battles alone." http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/truth-and-reconciliation-is-canadas-last-chance-to-get-it-right/article24826036/?service=mobile "Over $100-million of your money is spent every year to fund federal lawyers to fight against indigenous people being treated with respect. At the same time, $1-billion allocated by Parliament for spending on aboriginal social programs was simply withheld over the past five years. The combination of these two sums tells you what our policy is." Quote
jacee Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) That's always been my position - that people should be the same. I can't extend that to earthlings though, sorry, the world isn't ready for that."Should"Now there's a useless word. Still beating your head against the brick wall of 'the way it is and will stay because this is Canada'. Must give you a headache. Why bother. . Edited June 7, 2015 by jacee Quote
Smallc Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 So it's your position that people shouldn't be the same? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 So it's your position that people shouldn't be the same? There is a difference between the same and equal. Quote
Smallc Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 There is a difference between the same and equal. We should all be governed by the same rules. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 We should all be governed by the same rules. Correct. Problem was, is, we created a separate set of rules for Native people. Quote
Smallc Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 Correct. Problem was, is, we created a separate set of rules for Native people. We didn't do that. Some people who thought aboriginal people were savages did that. I don't think that, and I think the rules are archaic and serve to dehumanize aboriginal people. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 We didn't do that. Some people who thought aboriginal people were savages did that. I don't think that, and I think the rules are archaic and serve to dehumanize aboriginal people. Apparently we did, or at least our governments did. Even if you conclude the purposes were for good, the outcomes certainly were not. And we should set that straight as best we can. Quote
Smallc Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 And we should set that straight as best we can. Unless we're going to get rid of it all (we should) then we aren't doing enough to help anyone. Quote
eyeball Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 We didn't do that. Some people who thought aboriginal people were savages did that. I don't think that, and I think the rules are archaic and serve to dehumanize aboriginal people.Actually it's us that wound up being dehumanized. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
jacee Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 To jaycee - I commend you on your sensitivity and passion defending a position which reflects a minority opinion on this boardIf my opinion stands out on this extremely-right-wing-board ... that's a good thing, imo. But I am not alone ... - but I cannot agree with you. I do not believe in the divine right of kings or any privilege of birth. I do not believe that somebody deserves to be compensated for something done to their grandparents. I do not believe in affirmative action nor prioritization by culture or color or religion or whatever. I do not feel that I owe the aboriginals anything the same way as I don't owe Japanese Canadians for interment, Jews for the Holocaust, those million Tutsis who were murdered by the Hutu in Rwanda or those millions of people from Europe who ended up in Siberia complements of Stalin. That's your opinion.You're entitled to be wrong. I believe that this still is the land of opportunity for anyone and everyone who is prepared to work, save, invest and follow the law. The aboriginal has the same opportunity as any of the rest of us to succeed in our society. That's not apparent in the stats yet, but I hope it will be someday. I am particularly interested in the Recommendations that call for closing the gaps in funding and services for education, health and other public services. . Quote
jacee Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) So it's your position that people shouldn't be the same?It's my position that "should" is a stupid word.Let's deal with the reality we have: We have treaties that allow us to live in this land. We have a Constitution, laws and court precedents that require that we respect those treaties. Our government representatives - Canada - and some Churches tried hard for over a hundred years to decimate and destroy Indigenous children, people, families, communities ... in a concentrated effort to get rid of them as Indigenous Peoples, destroy their legal rights to the land, take full control of the land and it's financial benefits. I believe that's what you'd like to see happen ... well, Canada tried its best to accommodate your wishes. And failed. THEY ARE STILL HERE!!! Their legal rights to the land are still here ... A say in development and a share in resources on all traditional Indigenous lands, Aboriginal Title on lands not ceded or not properly ceded. And that's reality. . Edited June 7, 2015 by jacee Quote
jacee Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 Correct. Problem was, is, we created a separate set of rules for Native people. We didn't 'create' the rules. We colonized someone else's land that already had 'rules' - treaties, laws, protocols. We made treaties with them, 'rules' that we agreed to, we incorporated into our laws and we are bound to uphold. . Quote
jacee Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) Unless we're going to get rid of it all (we should) then we aren't doing enough to help anyone.I understand that you would like Aboriginal Rights to be removed from Canadian law.I understand that you would like to see Aboriginal Peoples disappear as 'Peoples'. "attempt to destroy, in whole or in part, a ... group" I understand that you would like to see that genocide happen in Canada. I understand that you and a few other people think genocide is the correct answer. But you are wrong of course, both legally and morally wrong. . Edited June 7, 2015 by jacee Quote
Accountability Now Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 We have treaties that allow us to live in this land. . No. We were going to live in this land regardless of the treaties. If it wasn't us it was the Americans. The treaties allowed the Aboriginals to live...period. Quote
Bryan Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 I understand that you would like Aboriginal Rights to be removed from Canadian law. I understand that you would like to see Aboriginal Peoples disappear as 'Peoples'. "attempt to destroy, in whole or in part, a ... group" I understand that you would like to see that genocide happen in Canada. I understand that you and a few other people think genocide is the correct answer. You don't seem to understand much. No one here is advocating any of that. Quote
jacee Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) No. We were going to live in this land regardless of the treaties. If it wasn't us it was the Americans. The treaties allowed the Aboriginals to live...period.Ah ... another one who still believes genocide is the only answer?Is this a 'white racial dominance' thing? I'll put you on 'the genocider list'. smallc Accountability Now Big Guy Anybody else want to join the 'I believe in genocide of Aboriginal Peoples in Canada list'? . Edited June 7, 2015 by jacee Quote
Bryan Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 If my opinion stands out on this extremely-right-wing-board ... that's a good thing, imo. This board mostly skews left, with a few middle of the road conservatives here and there. Extreme right wing? Who? Quote
Accountability Now Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 Ah ... another one who still believes genocide is the only answer? Is this a 'white racial dominance' thing? I'll put you on 'the genocider list'. smallc Accountability Now Big Guy Anybody else want to join the 'I believe in genocide of Aboriginal Peoples in Canada list'? . It's called the reality list. Natives didn't sign treaties to share the land...if they did then why are they secluded to some of the worst areas out there. You're constant delusional point of view is really quite scary. Instead of going to war and taking the land by force, the Brits thought they could assimilate them and yes with less than desirable tactics at times. Having said that the only other reality is what happened to the natives south of the border. Can you grasp what happend down there and not see the reality of what would have happened here if the treaties weren't signed? Quote
jacee Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) It's called the reality list. Natives didn't sign treaties to share the land...if they did then why are they secluded to some of the worst areas out there. You're constant delusional point of view is really quite scary. Instead of going to war and taking the land by force, the Brits thought they could assimilate them and yes with less than desirable tactics at times. Having said that the only other reality is what happened to the natives south of the border. Can you grasp what happend down there and not see the reality of what would have happened here if the treaties weren't signed? 'woulda-shoulda-coulda' :/ The situation is what it is. Do you believe Aboriginal Peoples should cease to exist in law in Canada? . Edited June 7, 2015 by jacee Quote
jacee Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) You don't seem to understand much. No one here is advocating any of that.Several people here have clearly expressed that Aboriginal rights should be removed from the Constitution and Aboriginal Peoples should cease to exist 'as such'.They wish Canada's attempt at forced assimilation had worked completely, and they advocate and promote more of that. Do you believe that Aboriginal Peoples should cease to exist in law in Canada? If so, I'll put you on the list. . Edited June 7, 2015 by jacee Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.