Michael Hardner Posted May 28, 2015 Report Posted May 28, 2015 ... good luck with that. So, in other words "it's a good idea" but it will never happen. This reminds me of right-wingers saying that Communism "didn't work". They don't think it's a *bad* idea per se, just unworkable in its current form. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Ash74 Posted May 28, 2015 Report Posted May 28, 2015 How many of those 407 execs have gone to jail or been reported on by Marin for the exact same behaviour? Jeopardy tune begin...... Oh... That is right. Well that makes it alright now. Because all those years ago Mike Harris made a stupid move. That clears up everything the Ontario Liberals do for the next hundred years. Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
Bob Macadoo Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 Oh... That is right. Well that makes it alright now. Because all those years ago Mike Harris made a stupid move. That clears up everything the Ontario Liberals do for the next hundred years. All I'm saying is.....as ever was and ever shall it be.....it was crap by Eves......it's crap by Duguid.......or whoever is filling the role now. I really find it amazing you all accept this corporate behaviour by other oligopolies but it's somehow the 11th commandment for Hydro. It's just as valid as a shareholder of BMO, Rogers, etc. to expect change from them. How many times have you attended a shareholder meeting to complain......oh that's right..........jail indeed. That is why I take none of what you say seriously. Mistakes were made.....if they haven't been corrected with costs then have at it.....otherwise stow your faux outrage. Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 (edited) The behaviour of these agencies and this government can not be blamed in some speculative, tenuous way on the Royal Familly. This is simply an absurd and juvenile comparison bereft of any real substance. Rather this bad behaviour is the result of entirely individual dishonesty, corruption and cronyism. The people who behave this way own it, no one else, no vague excuses to explain or in some way justify it. Michael has described an excellent point, Angus. Certainly it wasn't the silly assumption that you leaped to, as he himself noted. The connection though, runs long and it runs deep. 10/11/04 "The Guardian" -- There are times when one tragedy, one crime tells us how a whole system works behind its democratic facade and helps us to understand how much of the world is run for the benefit of the powerful and how governments lie. To understand the catastrophe of Iraq, and all the other Iraqs along imperial history's trail of blood and tears, one need look no further than Diego Garcia. ... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1027.htm Edited May 29, 2015 by Je suis Omar Quote
AngusThermopyle Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 Michael has described an excellent point, Angus. Certainly it wasn't the silly assumption that you leaped to, as he himself noted. The connection though, runs long and it runs deep. No he hasn't. Do you seriously believe that greed, corruption and cronyism are all the result of the Royal Familly? These are simply another aspect of the Human condition and have exist from the very start of the Human race. Far longer than any Royal familly of any type ever has. Get real for once. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
Je suis Omar Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 (edited) No he hasn't. Do you seriously believe that greed, corruption and cronyism are all the result of the Royal Familly? These are simply another aspect of the Human condition and have exist from the very start of the Human race. Far longer than any Royal familly of any type ever has. Get real for once.So, you agree. The greed, corruption and cronyism of the royal family are of the same result of the human condition that other equally corrupt individuals have fallen into. We can all agree on that. But surely you aren't trying to explain away their connivance in war crimes and terrorism by saying, "Well, Hitler, the USA, Stalin, PolPot, have all done the same things!" By Queen Liz being an active party in the theft of the land of the Chagos Islanders, we have a clear picture of greed, corruption and cronyism, not to mention war crimes and terrorism. Iraq and Afghanistan too. Edited May 29, 2015 by Je suis Omar Quote
AngusThermopyle Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 Although many of us hold the so called establishment in contempt you seem to have such a hard on about it that it clouds your entire view of life and Humanity. Pol Pot etc have nothing at all to do with the corruption of the Hydro execs, neither does the Royal Family. Although other entities own their particular questionable or even despicable actions they have absolutely nothing at all to do with the actions of the Hydro execs and this enabling provincial government. They, as with everyone are the architects of their own corruption. Not the Royal Familly, not Hitler, not Pol Pot, or any one else for that matter. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
Michael Hardner Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 Iraq and Afghanistan too. And... off-topicism. A severe problem in some places.... Back on now. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Topaz Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 Why did it take the Ombudsman so long to get to this?? Quote
Argus Posted May 29, 2015 Author Report Posted May 29, 2015 Why did it take the Ombudsman so long to get to this?? Well, the difficulty in getting real numbers out of Hydro One was one big delay... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bob Macadoo Posted May 30, 2015 Report Posted May 30, 2015 Why did it take the Ombudsman so long to get to this?? Probably b/c the dude had to get is image consultant's opinion first. Marin is a photo hound.....and the real reason it took so long is he waited until the end of his term to make a big announcement so they'd be forced to "re-elect" him. He's a crony politician just like the sour patch he's supposed to be auditing. Quote
Ash74 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Probably b/c the dude had to get is image consultant's opinion first. Marin is a photo hound.....and the real reason it took so long is he waited until the end of his term to make a big announcement so they'd be forced to "re-elect" him. He's a crony politician just like the sour patch he's supposed to be auditing. Do you work for Energy Minister Bob Chiarelli? You protect this guy like he is a close family member. Yes....Lets blame Marin. It is his fault for bringing this up to begin with. How dare he question such a honest group of people Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
Je suis Omar Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Well, the difficulty in getting real numbers out of Hydro One was one big delay... Isn't this as fine an example of hypocrisy as anyone could ever hope to see. Dictionary example material! Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Do you “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.” ― Winston S. Churchill Twisted quotes are something up with which we should not put. Quote
Ash74 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.” ― Winston S. Churchill Twisted quotes are something up with which we should not put. The most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help. -President Ronald Reagan Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
Bob Macadoo Posted June 1, 2015 Report Posted June 1, 2015 Do you work for Energy Minister Bob Chiarelli? You protect this guy like he is a close family member. Yes....Lets blame Marin. It is his fault for bringing this up to begin with. How dare he question such a honest group of people Naww.....I agree with the principle......just not with Cap'n Showboat......he's a perrenial opposition MPP who can't get elected. Quote
PIK Posted June 1, 2015 Report Posted June 1, 2015 Hydro owns the government, that is why hospitals have to lay off but not hydro. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Argus Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Funny that in all the fuss about Harper's omnibus budget bill no one has complained that the Ontario Liberals have their own omnibus budget bill in the process of being passed. This one contains a lot of hurried leglsiation to keep people from knowing what's going on with Hydro One. I am guessing a lot of people are going to be making a lot of money over this 'semi privatization' of Hydro One and that all of them are members or contributors to the Liberal Party The bill strips the provincial auditor-general, financial accountability officer, ombudsman and several other independent watchdogs of their right to investigate Hydro One and resolve customer complaints. It also bars freedom-of-information requests and shields Hydro One employees’ salaries from the Sunshine List of provincial workers earning more than $100,000 “The sale will be done in complete secrecy.… We will never know if we received a fair value, a true value for Hydro One or if the people of Ontario were short-changed,” Progressive Conservative Leader Patrick Brown said. “What are they trying to hide?” http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario-liberals-set-to-remove-hydro-one-oversight-ahead-of-sell-off/article24764334/ Edited June 3, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Ash74 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Posted June 3, 2015 Funny that in all the fuss about Harper's omnibus budget bill no one has complained that the Ontario Liberals have their own omnibus budget bill in the process of being passed. This one contains a lot of hurried leglsiation to keep people from knowing what's going on with Hydro One. I am guessing a lot of people are going to be making a lot of money over this 'semi privatization' of Hydro One and that all of them are members or contributors to the Liberal Party The bill strips the provincial auditor-general, financial accountability officer, ombudsman and several other independent watchdogs of their right to investigate Hydro One and resolve customer complaints. It also bars freedom-of-information requests and shields Hydro One employees’ salaries from the Sunshine List of provincial workers earning more than $100,000 “The sale will be done in complete secrecy.… We will never know if we received a fair value, a true value for Hydro One or if the people of Ontario were short-changed,” Progressive Conservative Leader Patrick Brown said. “What are they trying to hide?” http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario-liberals-set-to-remove-hydro-one-oversight-ahead-of-sell-off/article24764334/ How is this news? Duffy gets a check to hide his expenses and everybody is all up in arms. Wynne gets her staff to bribe a guy away from running and nothing is said. Harper foolishly spends millions on ads and he is the devil. The Ontario Liberals spend over a billion buying a few seats at Queen's park but that is just the game. It is a huge double standard. Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
Topaz Posted June 3, 2015 Report Posted June 3, 2015 Well, wasn't it the Toronto voters who elected Wynn and wasn't it the Toronto voters who elected Rob Ford.......but do Toronto voters use Hydro One....anyone know?? Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted June 4, 2015 Report Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) Funny that in all the fuss about Harper's omnibus budget bill no one has complained that the Ontario Liberals have their own omnibus budget bill in the process of being passed. This one contains a lot of hurried leglsiation to keep people from knowing what's going on with Hydro One. I am guessing a lot of people are going to be making a lot of money over this 'semi privatization' of Hydro One and that all of them are members or contributors to the Liberal Party Leader Patrick Brown said. What are they trying to hide?[/size][/font][/color][/i][/b] You had me until you quoted Brown. Omni-bills are crap.......but his glass house is full of holes. Edited June 4, 2015 by Bob Macadoo Quote
Ash74 Posted June 5, 2015 Report Posted June 5, 2015 You had me until you quoted Brown. Omni-bills are crap.......but his glass house is full of holes. Did you notice the quote was about Hydro one and not about the omni-bill itself? So would have it been ok had a NDP made the quote? Honorable Energy Minister Bob Chiarelli was praising this sale so we know you of course will side with him and drink the kool aid. Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
Bob Macadoo Posted June 5, 2015 Report Posted June 5, 2015 Did you notice the quote was about Hydro one and not about the omni-bill itself? So would have it been ok had a NDP made the quote? Honorable Energy Minister Bob Chiarelli was praising this sale so we know you of course will side with him and drink the kool aid. 1) Yes.2) This sale is the downfall of regulated energy prices.......I am against it 100%. I just don't want to hear all our "table-top" libertarian commenters complain as this was Mike Harris' dream. Chiarelli should have his pick in Board Directorship's with this move......like Harris in his day. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 6, 2015 Report Posted June 6, 2015 Funny that in all the fuss about Harper's omnibus budget bill no one has complained that the Ontario Liberals have their own omnibus budget billNot everyone lives in Ontario nor gives a crap about Ontario politics. Quote
Ash74 Posted June 6, 2015 Report Posted June 6, 2015 Not everyone lives in Ontario nor gives a crap about Ontario politics. A valid point if you know we were not in a provincial politics forum discussing Ontario politics. 1) Yes. 2) This sale is the downfall of regulated energy prices.......I am against it 100%. I just don't want to hear all our "table-top" libertarian commenters complain as this was Mike Harris' dream. Chiarelli should have his pick in Board Directorship's with this move......like Harris in his day. That I agree with. I never tried or could defend the 407 disaster. But the Ontario Liberals are making a bigger one. The 407 can be avoided. Hydro one is a necessity for a majority of the province. Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
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