Why does Toronto media hide the identity of East Asian criminals?

[H10]

I noticed for instance this case

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/rcmp-breaks-up-canada-wide-prostitution-ring-1.2308275

Where 500 Asian prostitutes were imported across Canada nation wide and the suspects were arrested. Yet I had to go online just to find out the race of the perpetrators.

I noticed many other such cases like this in the past, where the person committing the crime or the victim seems to be Asian and the local Toronto media, especially cp24 will hide the fact that they are Asian and often put up a picture of a blank white or black image to try to make Asian criminals look white or black.

For instance, notice this sex ring of 500 women is far larger, yet the race is hidden on the news story.

http://www.cp24.com/news/rcmp-says-it-has-broken-up-canada-wide-human-smuggling-prostitution-ring-1.2308123

Yet we know the criminals are east asians.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/04/01/prostitution-ring-smuggled-asian-women-into-country-rcmp

But when the pimps are whites or blacks....

http://www.cp24.com/news/victims-as-young-as-15-discovered-in-prostitution-ring-operating-across-gta-1.2338999

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/more-than-120-charges-laid-in-york-region-human-trafficking-bust-1.1694072

http://globalnews.ca/news/1664003/escort-forced-to-get-tattoo-of-pimps-name-to-show-ownership-police/

There is no hesitation to show their images.

What is going on here?

Why is the media covering up east asian crime when 500 prostitutes > than 15 prostitutes?

Edited May 21, 2015 by H10

[Michael Hardner]

I noticed for instance this case

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Why is the media covering up east asian crime when 500 prostitutes > than 15 prostitutes?

You need to do more than just a casual review to determine that this is indeed happening. And if it is happening, you need to do something to show that it's being done intentionally, and being done as a 'cover up'. Sometimes things just happen, without a conspiracy being behind it.

[Michael Hardner]

Here you go - I found a story with a picture right away:

http://www.cireport.ca/2015/04/asian-based-prostitution-ring-busted.html

[Freddy]

Here you go - I found a story with a picture right away:

http://www.cireport.ca/2015/04/asian-based-prostitution-ring-busted.html

I was hoping for a picture of a Asian man in a tin foil hat. I would have laughed so hard, that would have made my day. Edited May 21, 2015 by Freddy

[AngusThermopyle]

Nice attempt Micheal (not). Your example falls flat though when you consider the OP is talking about local media, what you used is Canadian Immigration Report. Hardly what one would consider a local media source, wouldn't you agree? As for your sometimes comment, well, come on man. You really think something that happens consistently is just a "whoopsee"? If so then I encourage you to work on developing your critical thinking skills.

[GostHacked]

Nice attempt Micheal (not). Your example falls flat though when you consider the OP is talking about local media, what you used is Canadian Immigration Report. Hardly what one would consider a local media source, wouldn't you agree? As for your sometimes comment, well, come on man. You really think something that happens consistently is just a "whoopsee"? If so then I encourage you to work on developing your critical thinking skills.

Names not reported here with this human trafficking, names not reported from the banksters who robbed the world blind...... it's been a trend.

[Michael Hardner]

Nice attempt Micheal (not). Your example falls flat though when you consider the OP is talking about local media, what you used is Canadian Immigration Report. Hardly what one would consider a local media source, wouldn't you agree? As for your sometimes comment, well, come on man. You really think something that happens consistently is just a "whoopsee"? If so then I encourage you to work on developing your critical thinking skills.

Sorry - I got the cite from a search on Toronto but you're right about the local media point.

If it happens consistently then it might not be an error, but how many case are we talking about ?

Critical thinking will factor into it once we have some data.

[Argus]

Nice attempt Micheal (not). Your example falls flat though when you consider the OP is talking about local media, what you used is Canadian Immigration Report. Hardly what one would consider a local media source, wouldn't you agree? As for your sometimes comment, well, come on man. You really think something that happens consistently is just a "whoopsee"? If so then I encourage you to work on developing your critical thinking skills.

Everyone ought to be aware of the fact that the Canadian media will never report on the race of those arrested unless they deem it pertinent to the story at hand, and they usually don't. The Ottawa media, for example, have been famous for talking how gangs of "youths" swarmed people, or gangs of "youths" fought on a bus or gangs of "youths" engaged in mass shoplifting. Only if there's video do you know they were Black (really Somalian). And those over eighteen, where there is no picture, when their names are read out it's usually Mustafa or Muhammed or something similar.

[Michael Hardner]

Everyone ought to be aware of the fact that the Canadian media will never report on the race of those arrested unless they deem it pertinent to the story at hand,

I think you are correct here - I don't even need a cite....

[bush_cheney2004]

Everyone ought to be aware of the fact that the Canadian media will never report on the race of those arrested unless they deem it pertinent to the story at hand, and they usually don't.

They sure do when it is an American story...hell...American "blacks" are used as a proxy for what the CBC and Canadian government(s) won't report right here in this forum.

[Argus]

They sure do when it is an American story...hell...American "blacks" are used as a proxy for what the CBC and Canadian government(s) won't report right here in this forum.

A story which is about the racial divide and racial anger in the US can hardly avoid using the race of the people involved.

The media didn't deal much with the race or ethnicity of Sammy Yatim, but if his people had rioted in the street then it would have figured prominently in news stories.

[H10]

You need to do more than just a casual review to determine that this is indeed happening. And if it is happening, you need to do something to show that it's being done intentionally, and being done as a 'cover up'. Sometimes things just happen, without a conspiracy being behind it.

There is a pattern I've noticed. Why does it just happen they hide the race of Asian criminals?

Nice attempt Micheal (not). Your example falls flat though when you consider the OP is talking about local media, what you used is Canadian Immigration Report. Hardly what one would consider a local media source, wouldn't you agree? As for your sometimes comment, well, come on man. You really think something that happens consistently is just a "whoopsee"? If so then I encourage you to work on developing your critical thinking skills.

Precisely, its not all media, not national media, local toronto media cp24 covering up the face of asian criminals. And why was it pertinent to say 500 asian prostitutes but hide the criminals face on local media that is available on national media. There is actually video of perp walk and there are mug shots, why is the media locally hiding their faces?

Everyone ought to be aware of the fact that the Canadian media will never report on the race of those arrested unless they deem it pertinent to the story at hand, and they usually don't. The Ottawa media, for example, have been famous for talking how gangs of "youths" swarmed people, or gangs of "youths" fought on a bus or gangs of "youths" engaged in mass shoplifting. Only if there's video do you know they were Black (really Somalian). And those over eighteen, where there is no picture, when their names are read out it's usually Mustafa or Muhammed or something similar.

Argus, look at my links. Was was it pertinent to show the faces of arrested black and white pimps but not pertinent for Asian pimps? The white and black pimps were ARRESTED, the Asian pimp was wanted and his face was still hidden by cp24. Mustafa and Muhammad isn't just somalians, it could be any arab/muslim.

And ctv news doesn't hide asian faces but cp24 does. ctv does hide indian faced criminals though and some white.

[bush_cheney2004]

A story which is about the racial divide and racial anger in the US can hardly avoid using the race of the people involved.

The media didn't deal much with the race or ethnicity of Sammy Yatim, but if his people had rioted in the street then it would have figured prominently in news stories.

Maybe....but several members of this forum still use American data and research as a proxy for their own racial biases in/for Canada. It is not unexpected, as American data and research is often sourced here in the absence of or access to Canadian data and research.

It's just what some Canadians do....CBC does it too.

[On Guard for Thee]

Maybe....but several members of this forum still use American data and research as a proxy for their own racial biases in/for Canada. It is not unexpected, as American data and research is often sourced here in the absence of or access to Canadian data and research.

It's just what some Canadians do....CBC does it too.

Data is data.

[Michael Hardner]

There is a pattern I've noticed. Why does it just happen they hide the race of Asian criminals?

It doesn't make sense. It doesn't serve any purpose, and actually I don't believe it's happening.

[H10]

It doesn't make sense. It doesn't serve any purpose, and actually I don't believe it's happening.

Explain the discrepencies then? Why is a wanted man's face hidden on a network. There are many more examples I witnessed on the past, where when I look online the criminal is asian and his name and face is hidden by the asians who run the network.

[Michael Hardner]

Explain the discrepencies then? Why is a wanted man's face hidden on a network.

If it happens once or twice, then that doesn't signify anything.

I just don't take your word that there are "many more examples". Also, there's no reason that this *would* be happening to suspect it, so it's just a shrug of my shoulders to this. Sorry.

[Argus]

Argus, look at my links. Was was it pertinent to show the faces of arrested black and white pimps but not pertinent for Asian pimps? The white and black pimps were ARRESTED, the Asian pimp was wanted and his face was still hidden by cp24. Mustafa and Muhammad isn't just somalians, it could be any arab/muslim.

And ctv news doesn't hide asian faces but cp24 does. ctv does hide indian faced criminals though and some white.

It really just depends on individual editors. For example, here is a fairly famous crime where the criminal was just convicted. Nothing in the story hints at the ethnicity of the killer.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/yosef-gopaul-pleads-guilty-in-death-of-vancouver-area-hockey-mother

However, if you read this instead, you can see from the attached picture that whatever Gopaul is, he's not caucasian.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/yosef-gopaul-a-high-risk-to-reoffend-say-parole-documents-1.2656472

Why does one show a picture and the other not? Who knows. Depends on space, I suppose. And availability. Clearly there were no photos of Gopaul, so the CBC used a drawing from his trial.

[H10]

It really just depends on individual editors. For example, here is a fairly famous crime where the criminal was just convicted. Nothing in the story hints at the ethnicity of the killer.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/yosef-gopaul-pleads-guilty-in-death-of-vancouver-area-hockey-mother

However, if you read this instead, you can see from the attached picture that whatever Gopaul is, he's not caucasian.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/yosef-gopaul-a-high-risk-to-reoffend-say-parole-documents-1.2656472

Why does one show a picture and the other not? Who knows. Depends on space, I suppose. And availability. Clearly there were no photos of Gopaul, so the CBC used a drawing from his trial.

I am talking about a specific local news. I know some other stations or national news it seems to be more or less random. But here is cp24 again.

http://www.cp24.com/news/woodbridge-man-arrested-after-allegedly-attempting-to-mail-drugs-across-canada-1.2386063

Clearly Asian name, yet his face is being hidden for the massive crime he has done. Why? If he was a white man or aboriginal or indian they'd show his face. In fact the same station showed the face of an indian man accused of some kind of marriage fraud.

Edited May 23, 2015 by H10

[Black Dog]

I noticed for instance this case

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/rcmp-breaks-up-canada-wide-prostitution-ring-1.2308275

Where 500 Asian prostitutes were imported across Canada nation wide and the suspects were arrested. Yet I had to go online just to find out the race of the perpetrators.

I noticed many other such cases like this in the past, where the person committing the crime or the victim seems to be Asian and the local Toronto media, especially cp24 will hide the fact that they are Asian and often put up a picture of a blank white or black image to try to make Asian criminals look white or black.

For instance, notice this sex ring of 500 women is far larger, yet the race is hidden on the news story.

http://www.cp24.com/news/rcmp-says-it-has-broken-up-canada-wide-human-smuggling-prostitution-ring-1.2308123

You know these articles are about the same case, right? The difference is CP24 was using wire copy from the Candian Press and were probably not supplied with an image. The CTV footage was filmed in Montreal by their local affiliate. I don't understand the complaint here.

I am talking about a specific local news. I know some other stations or national news it seems to be more or less random. But here is cp24 again.

http://www.cp24.com/news/woodbridge-man-arrested-after-allegedly-attempting-to-mail-drugs-across-canada-1.2386063

Clearly Asian name, yet his face is being hidden for the massive crime he has done. Why? If he was a white man or aboriginal or indian they'd show his face. In fact the same station showed the face of an indian man accused of some kind of marriage fraud.

His face isn't hidden. It's not shown at all. If they had a picture and blurred out the face, you might be on to something. They didn't and you don't.

[H10]

^That is my point CTV is national, cp24 is local toronto media, hiding asian criminal identities.

[Black Dog]

^That is my point CTV is national, cp24 is local toronto media, hiding asian criminal identities.

No, you just don't understand how the media works.

[Rue]

Hern again I think you derived a subjective impression from the media stories you looked at that reflects what you think you see because of your selective bias and not necessarily anything intentional.

I have to agree with Bush's comments on American stories picked up in Canada. We do read into American crime stories accusations and assumptions of racism against police for certain arrests against US police officers quicker than we do Canadian ones.

I will give you an example. We will have no problem reporting say race riots in Baltimore playing up the racist brutality of the police in Baltimore, but when it comes to say policing of aboriginals where similar riots have transpired up North, not a peep on the CBC. There is an institutional bias in how our media reports anything-it may not necessarily be intended but it is there.

What we tend to do in Canadian news media, is ignore race conflict with say policing and save it up for one big story once or twice a year. So for example for the last week a lot of emphasis has been put on the mistreatment of aboriginals because of the issue of how we forced their children to be taken away and put in schools. It rode the media for 3 days.It will disappear just as fast but in the meantime, as many children are still being forcefully taken from their parents by children's aid. Nothing has changed only we now put them in foster homes not schools.

So we try sort of cleanse our guilt with some shame on Canada stories and you can always tell because Lisa LaFlamme always ends the story with a

deep voiced "but what we can do"or Peter Mansbridge will take that extra inhale and leave us with sort of food for thought sentence.

It plays differently then how we depict on-going race relations issues in the US. We feel we can make sound bites with their stories far differently than we do with our own kind. Its there.

Now let's talk here in Canada. There is no fixed criteria for how to report crime. There is an unwritten rule not to refer to the race of the person unless we feel it absolutely essential in describing the perpetrator for a public alert or because the media feels it is related to something unfair related to the arrest.

Otherwise there is this almost absurd attempt to ignore when a prostitution ring is Asian or Russian, etc.We are loath to point out a gang is from a specific ethnic group but in the case of prostitution rings, most often its run my ethnic gangs-gangs or organized syndicates from specific countries with specific nationalities. We try avoid saying that and hope people figure it out indirectly without actually saying it by looking at the pictures and names of the people.

When we do focus on ethnicity, is say on a quasi investigative piece where more than 30 seconds is spent-say a 1 to 20 minute piece on W-5 of 5th Estate and then its always produced in a measured way to show the exploitation of the ethnic group by organized syndicates of that ethnic group.

I am not sure if there will ever be a perfect way to depict crime stories where ethnicity/race is relevant. Sometime will see that story no matter what is reported and the intentions of that report, as being bigoted.

Bias in reporting is inevitable.It reflects how our selective thought processes work.

I think your gut feeling may be at times you picking up biases yes, and other times seeing more than was intended.

I will say this. It is human nature when you see a young black man arrested, to immediately think, Jamaican, and gang member. Yes because often the young man is in a gang and whether he's Jamaican or not, is assumed. That bigotry then is not racist, its actually something else.

You want a stereotype, its not necessarily one because he person is black but because they are perceived as JAMACAIN or an American black thug. It in fact crosses over into nationality bias.

When the Canadian media sees non black, non whites in crimes, its unusual. When we do see it, its usually Chinese or Vietnamese sydicates. We haven't a clue of Asians are Korean,Chinese,Japanese,most of the time let alone Indian,Pakistani, Guyanese, Trinidadian,Fillipino, Indonesian, etc.

Most people do not and can not properly identify such people and will assume someone non white is more likely to be an immigrant than someone white. That is what the media studies from Ryerson,OISE have noticed. We selectively see with bias to make it easier to understand not necessarily based on being hateful.

The fact is I think if crime is organized, the media should point out it is and describe who its members are and not be afraid to single out their minority status if they have one because these syndicates more often harm their own people than anyone else and hide within their ethnic group and the rules of political correctness to avoid detection.

If you are a triad of Vietnamese thugs, yes it might be relevant particularly if you are relying on political correctness to continue harming Vietnams Canadians let alone the rest of us.To hell with any criminal who uses political correctness to shield them from public scrutiny.

On the other hand, we have to balance not sending out unintentional stereotypes as well.If you are a typical Jamaican Canadian you can not stand the stories of young black gangs because you know people look twice at all Jamaican Canadian young black men and mothers.

Stereotypes unintentionally get reinforced if a story is not carefully explained but in this day and age of cut backs, the average news story is 30 second to 2 minute rushed sound bite. That limited message doesn't lend itself to clear balanced reporting.