marcus Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 A decapitated head of an innocent person by a knife is more disgusting and barbaric to some than a decapitated head due to an airplane missile, a tank shell or a drone strike. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
GostHacked Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 A decapitated head of an innocent person by a knife is more disgusting and barbaric to some than a decapitated head due to an airplane missile, a tank shell or a drone strike. I give this about a 9/10 on the 'ignorance' scale. Quote
GostHacked Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) More disgusting and barbaric you say? I am sure those children with missing limbs and the one girl with the lower jaw missing see your point of barbarism. But they are not barbaric, simply because the damaged is caused by drone strikes. But I would suspect this video be taken down at some point because people cannot stomach the barbarism with each and every drone strike that kills 10 innocents for each suspected (not even confirmed) terrorists/insurgent/enemy-conbatants. Cutting off a head is barbaric. But do you say it's barbaric to level an entire city? Why not? People got all upset when Obama took out the hostages with the people holding them hostage. HUGE bitching regarding that. OH HOW COULD OBAMA KILL AMERICANS WITH DRONE STRIKES!!!! To my reply is ...'meh', simply because those who would bitch about this have no problem with innocents being killed via those same drone strikes. Yay for consistency. Edited May 10, 2015 by GostHacked Quote
Rue Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) I am not quite sure what it is with the Muslim experts on this forum who on the one hand claim covering one's face is a Muslim religious belief but there is no rule about reproduction. The Koran most certainly states by command that all Muslims have a duty to "abound in numbers" and to convert unbelievers. The two have been read together to justify populating at high rates than non Muslims and to turn everyone into believers. I have heard the sermons. To deny them is absurd. To make a blanket denial like Michael H has with zero basis I would expect though. Mr. H go read the Koran before you make your statements or are you a Muslim and claim to know better and then if so would you please as a good Muslim point out how you have no obligation to abound in numbers. Go on finish what you started just once.. Edited May 10, 2015 by Rue Quote
Freddy Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 As opposed to what? Does someone have unlimited intellectual capacity? As opposed to greater intellectual capacity.... Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 To make a blanket denial like Michael H has with zero basis I would expect though. Mr. H go read the Koran before you make your statements or are you a Muslim and claim to know better and then if so would you please as a good Muslim point out how you have no obligation to abound in numbers. Go on finish what you started just once.. "Go forth and multiply" in a holy book does not constitute a "strategy" by ISIS or some such group. This is just addled conspiracy nonsense, and it's not up to me to provide evidence to contradict the point made - rather it's up to the poster to back it up. Even if ISIS did have that as some kind of far-fetched strategy, it's a silly idea. People have the right to procreate, and future generations will decide what religion that they will be. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 As opposed to what? Does someone have unlimited intellectual capacity? Ahem.... that would be me... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hudson Jones Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 I give this about a 9/10 on the 'ignorance' scale. Why? I caught the sarcasm showing people's contradiction and inconsistent standards. Apparently you didn't. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
jbg Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) Recently, I've been thinking about the heinous, despicable violence inflicted by ISIS and the more strategic - but no less deadly and disgusting attacks by Al Queda. Why so much indiscriminate violence - beheadings, targeted killings of men, women and children? The spreading of palpable fear among populations.......what is the purpose of such outrageous, inhumane evil? In my humble opinion, the "end game" is to get the West to "cave" to whatever their demands are. We will always say that we won't "knuckle under." We said that with the Arab Oil Embargo (maybe not even a real embargo). Guess what, Through frantic efforts Kissinger forced Israel to "disengage" from its territorial gains in the 1973 war, even though that war was started by the Arabs and was unprovoked. We said that after the bombing of the barracks in Lebanon. And we withdrew our forces. We said that with 911 and guess what? We imposed restrictions on ourselves rather than pulverizing those responsible. ISIS knows that eventually some fool like Obama will reach out to try to "engage" them and give them their way. The strategy is simple. It's to outbreed us. At this rate, in 5 generations they will win the war against the west. If we continue providing them cradle to grave welfare of course they will. We're fools for doing that. I mean heck, sex is fun. If someone paid me to have unprotected, unrestrained sex and paid for the children what would I do? Edited May 11, 2015 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Just had an attack of Deja Vu. They are planning to slowly take control of their country and move on to take over the world. I remember hearing that about the "Yellow Menace" and the "Hideous Hun". Later it was the "slant eyed commies in North Vietnam" and the domino principle. Those "Damn Red Soviets" were planning to take over the world and now it appears to be those "Heathen ISIS". I guess everybody has to take their turn. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jbg Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Later it was the ...domino principle. Those "Damn Red Soviets" were planning to take over the world and now it appears to be those "Heathen ISIS". I guess everybody has to take their turn. There was reality to those. The others were racist and fictive. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Rue Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) Intersting Michael H you denied there was no straegy for the religion to breed then in your answer to me switched it to ISIL. Don't weasel out of this one. The Koran issues a command to go out and procreate abundantly not the misquote you provided which comes from your take of the Bible. That comand from the Koran is part of a vision to turn the world Muslim and you want to deny that then use vasoline to try pull a greasy hand job and switch your attention to ISIL to avoid the fact you can't deny what the Koran says. Enough with the vasoline tactics. You want to deny what the Koran says, put up or shut up. As for ISIL now that you raise it in an attempt to deflect from your ridiculous denial, its crystal clear its mission is to turn the world Muslim through war, force, violence. Conspiracy? No. Fact. For an apologist like you who denies basic precepts of Islam and now the Charter of ISIL you can claim others are engaging in conspiracies but its you-its you and your usual denial of what ISIL is and what Islam stands for that speaks for itself. If it was Catholicism we were talking about would you deny if someone said it is a preccept of the faith to go out and have as many children as is possible Hmmm? For that matter ultra Orthodox Jews believe the same. In your world, the moment any reference is made about Islam, you spew out a knee jerk denial, then when called out on it, try change the topic to ISIL not the religion. Yah I got it. Edited May 11, 2015 by Rue Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Intersting Michael H you denied there was no straegy for the religion to breed then in your answer to me switched it to ISIL. I didn't switch it to ISIL. That is what the OP is about, and what Freddy was opining on when I responded to him. Here's his quote again: They don't need to wipe us out. You're reading comprehension is awful. Let me simplify what I said. The strategy is to out breed us. Moving on.... Don't weasel out of this one. The Koran issues a command to go out and procreate abundantly not the misquote you provided which comes from your take of the Bible. That comand from the Koran is part of a vision to turn the world Muslim and you want to deny that then use vasoline to try pull a greasy hand job and switch your attention to ISIL to avoid the fact you can't deny what the Koran says. Enough with the vasoline tactics. You want to deny what the Koran says, put up or shut up. Quoting holy books is just a bit better than quoting fiction. I try not to do it except in response to other people quoting holy books. For example, people quote the Koran as "evidence" of presumably causing behavior in groups today, but the bible also has egregious advice to the faithful. As for ISIL now that you raise it in an attempt to deflect from your ridiculous denial, its crystal clear its mission is to turn the world Muslim through war, force, violence. Conspiracy? No. Fact. Ok, sure. For an apologist like you who denies basic precepts of Islam and now the Charter of ISIL you can claim others are engaging in conspiracies but its you-its you and your usual denial of what ISIL is and what Islam stands for that speaks for itself. It doesn't matter. The overall arc of this theory tends to fantasy when you start implicating Muslims who are having children into some kind of grand plot. If it was Catholicism we were talking about would you deny if someone said it is a preccept of the faith to go out and have as many children as is possible Hmmm? I think I acknowledged that above, which you said I misquoted. In your world, the moment any reference is made about Islam, you spew out a knee jerk denial, then when called out on it, try change the topic to ISIL not the religion. No, I say that it's not a "strategy". Catholicism, Islam, and Judaism can't really be said to have "strategies", except to those who are extremely cynical. Having children is a natural and joyful part of living, but to the conspiracy-minded is actually an evil strategy to control the world ? Come on, Rue, relax and breathe the air of peace and harmony. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Big Guy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 If there is a strategy then it continues to be patience. Most of the problems on this earth are mans attempt to create artificial boundaries based on political strategy. The process of culture, religion, language and heritage eventually break these boundaries to create separation based on those aspects. The Soviet Union eventually split into ethnic groups that evolved before the forced WWII amalgamation. Yugoslavia disintegrated back into its ethnic sections. We now see the Middle East separating and coalescing around ethnic and religious locals creating their own boundaries based on the will of the people. The greatest current problem in the area is the inability of Israel and her neighbors to adapt to each other. Israel is an artificially created country resented by her neighbors. The tensions are building and the periodic release through small invasions is not solving any problems. If that area had been allowed to evolve instead of a whole new group of people shipped and flown in, then the situation would be very different to-day. The pyramids were built many years before the World Trade center and will last long after - oh - that's right - the world trade center is already gone. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
marcus Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 I give this about a 9/10 on the 'ignorance' scale. Why? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
dre Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 If there is a strategy then it continues to be patience. There IS no strategy. People act like the worlds muslims are marching in lock-step to some centrally controlled drum-beat but nothing could be further from the truth. Part of it is just histeria, but part of it is an intentional attempt on the part of western leaders to exxagerate the threat, and act like theres some huge, powerful, and formidable enemy at our gates. And morons lap it up. But the reality is there IS no coherent strategy. Islam is divided into multiple sects and thousands of small regional groups, and they have a lot more to fear from each other than we have to fear from them. The only reason they are even interested in the west at all, is because we create havok in the places where they live and refuse to stop trying to force our will on them. Our own actions and policies are a way bigger threat to ourselves than Islam could ever hope to be. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Keepitsimple Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Posted May 11, 2015 If there is a strategy then it continues to be patience. Most of the problems on this earth are mans attempt to create artificial boundaries based on political strategy. The process of culture, religion, language and heritage eventually break these boundaries to create separation based on those aspects. The Soviet Union eventually split into ethnic groups that evolved before the forced WWII amalgamation. Yugoslavia disintegrated back into its ethnic sections. We now see the Middle East separating and coalescing around ethnic and religious locals creating their own boundaries based on the will of the people. The greatest current problem in the area is the inability of Israel and her neighbors to adapt to each other. Israel is an artificially created country resented by her neighbors. The tensions are building and the periodic release through small invasions is not solving any problems. If that area had been allowed to evolve instead of a whole new group of people shipped and flown in, then the situation would be very different to-day. The pyramids were built many years before the World Trade center and will last long after - oh - that's right - the world trade center is already gone. There's a big difference between your examples of ethnic Nationalism and what we are hearing and seeing from Islamists whose goal isclearly one of long term Global domination. Quote Back to Basics
dre Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 There's a big difference between your examples of ethnic Nationalism and what we are hearing and seeing from Islamists whose goal isclearly one of long term Global domination. The islamists saying that cant even dominate the towns they live in, and they represent a tiny tiny sliver of the Islamic world. Furthermore they are divided up amongst sects and factions and dont even get along with each other, never mind collaborate on "Global Domination". Your Austin Powers styled "Dr Evil" view of these people is comical. If anything the risk, is that the incredibly stupid actions taken by our own leaders, and cheered on by hoards of useful idiots here in the west, will bankrupt us, or galvanize all these sects and factions and cause them to coalesce against us. We face WAY more of a threat from OUR hawks, than we do THEIR hawks. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
marcus Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Groups like ISIS cannot hurt Canada. The only way Canada could be effected is by lone wolves, as they call them. Like the parliament shooter. There is less chance of triggering these lone wolves if we stay out of these never-ending, useless military attacks that do not accomplish anything but to make weapons companies' stock prices to remain high. You always need an enemy or create an enemy to have wars. Canada needs a leader who doesn't try to sell wars for arms companies. We need a government like Switzerland's. There is very limited participation by them in these types of adventures. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Keepitsimple Posted May 12, 2015 Author Report Posted May 12, 2015 There's no doubt it's a conundrum. Several posters advocate getting out completely and leaving things alone. I'd love to be able to do that.......but Edmund Burke had it right in saying "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". Imagine even one country taken over by the ISIS mentality - say Syria or Iraq. It will not stop. Millions would be subjugated. Armies could be formed - god forbid, nukes could be obtained. But of course, they will stay in their territory, right - if we leave them alone? Quote Back to Basics
GostHacked Posted May 12, 2015 Report Posted May 12, 2015 Why? I caught the sarcasm showing people's contradiction and inconsistent standards. Apparently you didn't. Sarcasm does not come through properly without someone saying it is sarcasm. Why? If you had read my response after, you'd be able to figure it out. Quote
Big Guy Posted May 12, 2015 Report Posted May 12, 2015 Last night CNN finally aired "Blindsided: How ISIS shook the world." Those interested in what is happening in the Middle East will find that documentary enlightening. Some posters in this thread might change their minds. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
marcus Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 Sarcasm does not come through properly without someone saying it is sarcasm. If you had read my response after, you'd be able to figure it out. When reading a post from a poster, you should take into account the poster's history of posts and their stance on different issues. My comment was sarcastic. I was responding to people who are shocked by the acts of ISIS that kill people but try to excuse the acts of the Western military that also kill people. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Je suis Omar Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 There's no doubt it's a conundrum. Several posters advocate getting out completely and leaving things alone. I'd love to be able to do that.......but Edmund Burke had it right in saying "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". Imagine even one country taken over by the ISIS mentality - say Syria or Iraq. It will not stop. Millions would be subjugated. Armies could be formed - god forbid, nukes could be obtained. But of course, they will stay in their territory, right - if we leave them alone? What Burke said. And evil folk don't do a thing except continue to support the evil problem that is, has been causing all the problems - the USA. They have nukes, they have used them, considered using them in Korea too. Amoral devils that make ISIS look like angels. Nobody is going to surpass the numbers slaughtered by the USA. Quote
Argus Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 What Burke said. And evil folk don't do a thing except continue to support the evil problem that is, has been causing all the problems - Gee, I wonder what that could be. You know your worst crime? You're so bloody boring. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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