Bonam Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 But why not move Isreal to Oregon now. I don't know. Why not move Palestine to Oregon? Quote
Bonam Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 The religious and cultural motivations are based on a dubious mythical hero whose existance is not based on any historial evidence. Moses probably never existed. Various religious figures may not have existed, but there is little doubt that there is an extensive history of the Jewish people having lived for a considerable period of time in the location of Israel. Quote
marcus Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) One could almost believe you've never encountered a politician before. Here comes the excuses to justify Netanyahu's lies and deceit. Deceiving and lying to people is what drives political Zionism. Edited March 20, 2015 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 Various religious figures may not have existed, but there is little doubt that there is an extensive history of the Jewish people having lived for a considerable period of time in the location of Israel. That's a terrible reason. There is very little to no connection between the Russian Jews and other European Jews to that land. In fact, the Palestinian Muslims and Christians have a lot more connection to the ancient Hebrews of that land. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Shady Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 Amazing what voters will buy. They elected Bush didnt they... And Obama. Hope n change! Quote
Shady Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 So is Netenyahu for a Palestinian state or is he not for a Palestinian state? Is Hamas still dedicated to the destruction of Israel? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 So is Netenyahu for a Palestinian state or is he not for a Palestinian state? Interesting how the message changed the day after the vote. Quote
Rue Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Actually on Guard it did not. Its the same message. You just don't read what he says and what he has said. You depend on the latest headline and assume his comments are simply limited to them. He's said many many things about Palestine over the years. If you want to cherry pick and isolate one comment and think from that you know his position, and can label it, go ahead. However the fact remains he has always said 2 things: 1-as long as Hamas remains armed and vows never to recognize a Jewish state and advocating a constitution calling for Israel to be replaced with a Muslim state, there will never be peace with him as leader; The position above is identical with Abbas and the Palestinian Authority, Hezbollah,Fatah Hawks, Fatah Eagles,Al AsqaMartyr Brigade, Al Quaeda,ISIL, and the 500 plus other Muslim terrorist groups,cells, false front charities and countries dedicated to wiping out Israel and attacking for that matter Jews worldwide simply because we are Jews. Position 1 has never changed. 2-if Hamas and all the terror cells were to disarm and Arab states and the head of the proposed Palestinian state would agree to renounce violence and recognize a Jewish state, then he would consider a two state solution. What he said remains-in his lifetime there is no chance of peace as long as the Palestinian terror cells and politicians remain holding on to the position there can never be a Jewish state. You can twist that all you want to try pull it out of its continuing context and to blame a peace impasse on Netanyahu but that is false. All he is saying is-refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish state-cling to that position as you do now-there will be no peace. Why? Read him loud and clear. He will not withdraw Israel to 1967 borders as long as Hamas and the PA remain in a declared state of war with Israel and refuse to recognize it as a Jewish state. Its not rocket science. How about you go back and read the full context of his comments and stop relying on bi-lines run by the wire services. Netanyahu has always flipped from 1 to 2 and back to 1 and then back to 2. Its called playing good cop bad cop. Only he as no one else to play the bad boy or good boy. He plays both roles. I believe the expression is sucking and blowing at the same time. Its done all the time in politics.Arafat did the exact same thing when he went to the UN with his hand gun in one hand and olive branch in the other. Israel and in particular Netanyahu never forgot that and are throwing the exact same message back. After Arafat ripped up the third of three attempts at peace, saying he was bargaining in bad faith all along and Israel should have known that-Israel said no more. That was not just Netanyahu saying no to more bullshit, it was all of Israel. Israelis don't want war with Palestinians, but they will never again sit at a table and be told by Abbas, Hamas or anyone it was all just as stalling tactic to by the PA and Hamasmore time to arm themselves to destroy Israel. 3 strikes is more then enough. They made fools of Begin,Rabin and Barak. Not with Netanyahu, He isn't a catcher. He's a pitcher. Edited March 20, 2015 by Rue Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 But why not move Isreal to Oregon now. The Americans are all for peace.... The Americans are not all for peace based on past and present policies. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 www.youtube.com?watch?v=CdmwbqZsyum The above from Sen.Marc Rubio says it all. Quote
Shady Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 www.youtube.com?watch?v=CdmwbqZsyum The above from Sen.Marc Rubio says it all. Amazing. Hopefully a future president someday. Quote
Shady Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 In March of 2012, Obama was the first to call and congratulate Putin on his "re-election," In June of 2012, Obama was among the first to call Morsi in Egypt, and congratulate him on his election in Egypt. In November of 2012, the Chinese president was called, and congratulated on his "election" victory. In 2013, the Iranian president was called and congratulated on his "election" victory. In August of 2014, he called and congratulated Turkey's president on his victory. No call for Netanyahu as of yet. Quote
marcus Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) Putin's policies and Netanyahu's policies have been quite terrible. The difference is that neither Putin (or Morsi) came to U.S. to give a speech and spit into Obama's face. "Oh hey Bibi! The whole coming into Florida and campaigning with my opponent during my presidential elections, then defying all the agreements we've had, including the ones drawn by Bush which Israel signed onto, and the whole international law thing aside, and the ungratefulness to all the increased bling bling I keep sending to you every year... oh and speaking in my country, against me and one of the most important deals I am trying to make, to undo what the useless and damaging sanctions have done... CONGRATS BUDDY! I'M REALLY HAPPY FOR YOU! You've managed to really use the eternal victimhood card and the fear factory quite well. You really know how to "move" your people to the right direction! Say hi to Boehner for me. Now I'm going to go pray to Allah and then hang out with my Muslim Brotherhood and communist commrads to smoke some hookah from my home country of Kenya!" Edited March 21, 2015 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
GostHacked Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 Is Hamas still dedicated to the destruction of Israel? Excellent tactic with the non-answer. Quote
Shady Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 Excellent tactic with the non-answer.Netanyahu is for a 2 state solution under proper circumstances, one of which is the recognition of the right of Israel to exist. Has Hamas changed their stance on the destruction of Israel yet? The stance they've had for decades regardless of borders, etc. Until that changes, it doesn't mean shit what Netanyahu prefers or doesn't prefer. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 Netanyahu is for a 2 state solution under proper circumstances, one of which is the recognition of the right of Israel to exist. Has Hamas changed their stance on the destruction of Israel yet? The stance they've had for decades regardless of borders, etc. Until that changes, it doesn't mean shit what Netanyahu prefers or doesn't prefer. Yes Hamas has, some time ago. Actually Bibis party, the Likud, had, even years before Hamas, a policy that did not recognize the existence of Palestine. Both have changed their policies or at least everyone thought they had until Bibi gave his pre election speech a few days ago. Quote
Shady Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 Yes Hamas has, some time ago.No they haven't. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 No they haven't. Why not ask for a cite rather than deny? Of course I believe you'd deny that too. Obama's fault I bet. Quote
Rue Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) Bob Macadoo your baiting is pointless. If someone wants to suggest Hamas is not at war with Israel with the specific goalt to destroy Israel-let them provide the cite. Right Bb. Let's just come on this site, make ridiculous unsubstantiated claims, and then demand people prove its not true. That's how it works Bob. Enough with the Baiting. Edited March 21, 2015 by Rue Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) May not be reflective of their current feelings,but it did happen. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/jan/12/israel Edited March 21, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote
Rue Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 On Guard you heard Bob he wants a cite for your comment that Hamas recognizes Israel. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 Bob Macadoo your baiting is pointless. ...Enough with the Baiting. Didn't know I was trawling for Long-Winded Givelta Fish. Was looking for trout. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 On Guard you heard Bob he wants a cite for your comment that Hamas recognizes Israel. Look up, not waay up, just up, and Ill call Rusty. Quote
Rue Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 Big mouth bass, Bob. You mean big mouthed bass. Quote
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