On Guard for Thee Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 63% of Canadians support the return of the death penalty. It should be put to a referendum. Let the society decide what to do with psychopaths. Lets hope we never get that stupid again. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Lets hope we never get that stupid again. Some people just don't deserve to be alive. Sitting in prison, watching TV, playing video games, eating good food, working out. Perhaps having a prison job earning money to send to their families The people they killed can never do that again. NO, these people should be killed by the state. It's only fair that the punishment fit the crime. People need to know that if they come to Canada and kill someone in a heinous manner or with aggravating circumstances, we'll kill you back. Quote
Black Dog Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 In certain special cases I have no problem with the death penalty. People like Clifford Olsen, Paul Bernardo types it should be reserved for. Limited appeal process. Like Texas, people should spend 7 years or so on death row exhausting appeals, that's it. I know when I think of model criminal justice policy, I think "Texas" I'd like to see a return to hanging, none of that lethal injection nonsense. That's for putting dogs down, too nice for this scum. Hanging is a nice balance. I'd like them to be public events with tailgating, ticket sales etc. Perhaps sir would feel more comfortable in Iran or Saudi Arabia, places where his values are more widely shared? Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 I know when I think of model criminal justice policy, I think "Texas" Perhaps sir would feel more comfortable in Iran or Saudi Arabia, places where his values are more widely shared? Say what you will about Texas. They know how to carry out the death penalty promptly. No sitting on it for 30 years plus. Like Cali. Murders gave up their rights as citizens when they started murdering us. I don't see why you should place a value on a murderer. They deserve the same kindness they showed their victims. Nothing more. Quote
Black Dog Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) Say what you will about Texas. They know how to carry out the death penalty promptly. No sitting on it for 30 years plus. Like Cali. Yeah, they love killing folks in Texas. Guilty, innocent, mentally handicapped, children... they take 'em all and then some. Murders gave up their rights as citizens when they started murdering us. I don't see why you should place a value on a murderer. They deserve the same kindness they showed their victims. Nothing more. I don't necessarily "values" murderers. I value justice and civilization more. Sounds like your one of those people with un-Canadian values we should be keeping out of the country, eh? Edited March 6, 2015 by Black Dog Quote
Big Guy Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 I think it would be appropriate that some jackass who decides to pass a slower driver by passing on the soft shoulder and badly injures or kills somebody (hitch hiker) should be tossed into jail for 30 years. Boneheads who choose to put other people in danger should be locked in jail for a while and the keys put into his storage place where the sun don't shine. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 I think it would be appropriate that some jackass who decides to pass a slower driver by passing on the soft shoulder and badly injures or kills somebody (hitch hiker) should be tossed into jail for 30 years. Boneheads who choose to put other people in danger should be locked in jail for a while and the keys put into his storage place where the sun don't shine. OK so you're making a point about vehicular manslaughter convictions should warrant a 30 year penalty. That's certainly one position. I don't think a majority would agree with that. Put in jail where they can play video games all day. Workout. Eat good food. Have a job. Go to university. All subsidized by us. The taxpayer. That's fine for regular criminals but the really bad ones just need killing. Plain and simple. Quote
The_Squid Posted March 6, 2015 Author Report Posted March 6, 2015 You guys realize who you're having a conversation with, right? Don't feed the trolls.... Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) Yeah, they love killing folks in Texas. Guilty, innocent, mentally handicapped, children... they take 'em all and then some. I don't necessarily "values" murderers. I value justice and civilization more. Sounds like your one of those people with un-Canadian values we should be keeping out of the country, eh? . Texas uses it more than I personally would. I would reserve it for the worst of the worst.A lot of people on death row have IQ scores that border on mental retardation. They still know right from wrong. That's all that matters. They outlawed executing anyone under 18 in 1996 I think or something like that. Death penalty is a Canadian value as the majority of people support it. 63%, in order to get that much support some Liberals must like it and even some ndpers. Btw, I never said "values" I said value so I don't know why you quoted me saying values. Btw its you're not your. Edited March 6, 2015 by LemonPureLeaf Quote
Black Dog Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) . Texas uses it more than I personally would. I would reserve it for the worst of the worst. A lot of people on death row have IQ scores that border on mental retardation. They still know right from wrong. That's all that matters. Wait what? Someone with a diminished mental capacity isn't necessarily going to have the same understanding of right and wrong. That's precisely why executing them is so distasteful. They outlawed executing anyone under 18 in 1996 I think or something like that. 2005, actually. Death penalty is a Canadian value as the majority of people support it. 63%, in order to get that much support some Liberals must like it and even some ndpers. And when asked to choose between the death penalty and life in prison without parole, the majority choose prison. Btw, I never said "values" I said value so I don't know why you quoted me saying values. It's called a typo. Btw its you're not your. Oh god I'm getting grammar lessons from this guy, brb killing myself. Edited March 6, 2015 by Black Dog Quote
PIK Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) All I hear is the poor criminal and nothing about the victims. Liberals say we have laws to keep these people in jail, but you missed the part on probation. The families will not have to relive the pain to keep these guys from getting parole. Now they have to wait 35 and then write a letter to the minster , no more hardship for the families. And for the record I am not a big fan of the death penalty. Edited March 6, 2015 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
guyser Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Put in jail where they can play video games all day. Workout. Eat good food. Have a job. Go to university. All subsidized by us. The taxpayer. That's fine for regular criminals but the really bad ones just need killing. Plain and simple.Where does all this happen? Its not in Canada. But go ahead, you try and write a law for the death penalty whereby its only reserved for certain crimes. Should be fun. Post it here and we can critique it . Quote
Black Dog Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 All I hear is the poor criminal and nothing about the victims. I'll ask again: who is expressing all the sympathy for murderers? Name names. Liberals say we have laws to keep these people in jail, but you missed the part on probation. Which really terrible criminals almost never get under the current system. The families will not have to relive the pain to keep these guys from getting parole. Now they have to wait 35 and then write a letter to the minster , no more hardship for the families. I'm sure that 10 year difference between 25 and 35 years without the possibility of parole will make all the difference. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Some people just don't deserve to be alive. Sitting in prison, watching TV, playing video games, eating good food, working out. Perhaps having a prison job earning money to send to their families The people they killed can never do that again. NO, these people should be killed by the state. It's only fair that the punishment fit the crime. People need to know that if they come to Canada and kill someone in a heinous manner or with aggravating circumstances, we'll kill you back. First of all its not the state that is killing them, it is you and me. You may be able to bury your head in the sand on that notion, but I am not. And secondly people in the states certainly know they will be killed back, and it doesnt slow them down a bit. We havent killed anybody back for over 50 years and our crime rate is much much lower, especially violent crime. Death penalties have proven ineffective as a deterrent in many jurisdictions. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) First of all its not the state that is killing them, it is you and me. You may be able to bury your head in the sand on that notion, but I am not. And secondly people in the states certainly know they will be killed back, and it doesnt slow them down a bit. We havent killed anybody back for over 50 years and our crime rate is much much lower, especially violent crime. Death penalties have proven ineffective as a deterrent in many jurisdictions. It's not about deterrent, its about revenge and justice for the victims families. If someone killed my mother or sister or brother, I'd sure as heck want them paid back in kind. Perhaps you're different and would like to see them live a peaceful existence in the country club prisons we have in Canada. Watching TV, playing video games, working out, having a job, getting canteen...etc.... I would like to see some revenge. If I could kill them myself, I would do so. Fine by me. I'll hang them and I'll do it for free too. Edited March 6, 2015 by LemonPureLeaf Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) It's not about deterrent, its about revenge and justice for the victims families. If someone killed my mother or sister or brother, I'd sure as heck want them paid back in kind. Perhaps you're different and would like to see them live a peaceful existence in the country club prisons we have in Canada. Watching TV, playing video games, working out, having a job, getting canteen...etc.... I would like to see some revenge. If I could kill them myself, I would do so. Fine by me. I'll hang them and I'll do it for free too. Revenge and justice is the US way and again, it just doesnt work. Canada has a more public safety and rehab approach, which works much better. And guess what, its a lot cheaper. And no, federal prisons are not country clubs. Edited March 6, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote
Black Dog Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 It's not about deterrent, its about revenge and justice for the victims families. If someone killed my mother or sister or brother, I'd sure as heck want them paid back in kind. Perhaps you're different and would like to see them live a peaceful existence in the country club prisons we have in Canada. Watching TV, playing video games, working out, having a job, getting canteen...etc.... I would like to see some revenge. If I could kill them myself, I would do so. Fine by me. I'll hang them and I'll do it for free too. Pretty darn funny to see the guy who is appalled by the non-whites who are beheading people in one thread cheerleading for Saudi-style barbarism in this one. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Revenge ad just ice is the US way and again, it just doesnt work. Canada has a more public safety and rehab approach, which works much better. And guess what, its a lot cheaper. And no, federal prisons are not country clubs. Sure it does work. Once we kill that person he never kills anyone again. Works perfectly. Yes they are. Max and medium aren't country clubs granted but minimums are. Have you ever seen inside of one? They have it pretty good. Even the low-mediums in this country are fairly cushy, places like Warkworth and Fenbrook. Both mediums both fairly soft places to do time. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Yes that is a tad incongruous you might say. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Pretty darn funny to see the guy who is appalled by the non-whites who are beheading people in one thread cheerleading for Saudi-style barbarism in this one. I'm not cheer leading anyone to chop someones hands and feet off like they do in KSA. If you can show me where I am doing that, please go ahead. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Sure it does work. Once we kill that person he never kills anyone again. Works perfectly. Yes they are. Max and medium aren't country clubs granted but minimums are. Have you ever seen inside of one? They have it pretty good. Even the low-mediums in this country are fairly cushy, places like Warkworth and Fenbrook. Both mediums both fairly soft places to do time. And what about when we find out the guy we just killed didnt actually do the crime in the first place. Look at the people who have been taken off death row in the states since DNA testing became reliable. How many do you reckon were wrongfully killed before that. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 And what about when we find out the guy we just killed didnt actually do the crime in the first place. Look at the people who have been taken off death row in the states since DNA testing became reliable. How many do you reckon were wrongfully killed before that. That's why I'm not advocating the death penalty for widespread use but only in special circumstances. People like Bernardo, Olsen, etc...Not the run of the mill murderer. Quote
Black Dog Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Yes they are. Max and medium aren't country clubs granted but minimums are. Have you ever seen inside of one? They have it pretty good. Even the low-mediums in this country are fairly cushy, places like Warkworth and Fenbrook. Both mediums both fairly soft places to do time. So you're saying murders have it easy in Canada in prisons where murderers don't go. I'm not cheer leading anyone to chop someones hands and feet off like they do in KSA. If you can show me where I am doing that, please go ahead. The method isn't relevant: the principle is the same. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) So you're saying murders have it easy in Canada in prisons where murderers don't go. The method isn't relevant: the principle is the same. murders start off in Max once convicted. They spend two years in there before being reclassified. At this time they can go to a high medium like Collins bay. Drumheller, Dorchester, they can and do work their way down to a minimum security level institution. Not all of them certainly not the notorious ones but murderers still do go to min camps. Lots of them in min. Just saying. Edited March 6, 2015 by LemonPureLeaf Quote
PIK Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 The liberals have always have had a soft spot for the poor misguided criminal, and screw the victim. Restorative justice they called it, when they said by now we wont have any need for jails. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
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