Wilber Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 And those people dont get past the review board. Clifford Olson comes to mind. Generally speaking I think going down the American road of vengeance and punishment as opposed to public safety and rehab will be just as ineffective, expensive, and dangerous as it is down there. Clifford Olsen was a big reason for getting rid of the faint hope clause although anyone convicted before it was repealed can still use it. He would also be a poster boy for the proposed changes. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Smallc Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 And those people dont get past the review board. If that were true, the recidivism rate would be zero. Generally speaking I think going down the American road of vengeance and punishment as opposed to public safety and rehab will be just as ineffective, expensive, and dangerous as it is down there. Generally speaking, no one is doing that. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 If that were true, the recidivism rate would be zero. Generally speaking, no one is doing that. Generally speaking that is exactly what they are doing. Ever bothered to compare the US recidivism rate... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 And as Harper wants to piss away more money locking more people up longer, he guts a successful system of reducing recidivism rates among sex offenders, after spending 7.5 million determining just ho successful it actually is. How does one reconcile this kind of stupidity and waste... http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sex-crime-prevention-program-cut-by-ottawa-1.2979196 Quote
The_Squid Posted March 5, 2015 Author Report Posted March 5, 2015 We are talking 1st degree murder with other violent factors.... A lot of who this applies to would never get out anyway. This isn't going to inflate the prison population. Quote
The_Squid Posted March 5, 2015 Author Report Posted March 5, 2015 And as Harper wants to piss away more money locking more people up longer, he guts a successful system of reducing recidivism rates among sex offenders, after spending 7.5 million determining just ho successful it actually is. How does one reconcile this kind of stupidity and waste... http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sex-crime-prevention-program-cut-by-ottawa-1.2979196 I agree... That was sheer stupidity. Off-topic, but sheer stupidity. Quote
Argus Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) The glaring question here is what the hell is particular brutality... Harper keeps on putting language he thinks will fool people into his attempts to pass laws he thinks will get him some votes from the tin hat crowd,and then taxpayers end up paying the bill for the SC to correct his crap. It's difficult to define something like that. It's like art. You'll know it when you see it. I would suggest Clifford Olsen, Robert Picton and Paul Bernardo would have qualified, as would Luka Rocco Magnotta. Cody Legebokoff would also make an excellent candidate. Edited March 5, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 It's difficult to define something like that. It's like art. You'll know it when you see it. I would suggest Clifford Olsen, Robert Picton and Paul Bernardo would have qualified, as would Luka Rocco Magnotta. Cody Legebokoff would also make an excellent candidate. All guys who would never get parole under the current system. Your CPC: finding solutions to non-problems since 2006. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 It's difficult to define something like that. It's like art. You'll know it when you see it. I would suggest Clifford Olsen, Robert Picton and Paul Bernardo would have qualified, as would Luka Rocco Magnotta. Cody Legebokoff would also make an excellent candidate. They all would fit the description I would say. Problem is with Harpers wording on numerous bills is he uses language that leaves too many doors open for various interpretations. Quote
Argus Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 Well to be honest, there have been cases were I have thought I could take a baseball bat in a room with a certain criminal and save the taxpayer a lot of money. However, would I actually do it, no. Killing is wrong no matter who is doing it IMO. Put me in a room with Cody Legebokoff, and if it was legal, watch my home run swing. I'd have no regrets, no remorse, and no moral qualms as far knocking his head off. It's not who is doing the killing, it's who is being killed which matters. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 Put me in a room with Cody Legebokoff, and if it was legal, watch my home run swing. I'd have no regrets, no remorse, and no moral qualms as far knocking his head off. It's not who is doing the killing, it's who is being killed which matters. Perhaps you could, I couldnt. Which is why I am glad that as a society we dont do it any more either. Aside from the moral issue, its ineffective as a deterrent, and much more expensive than just locking them up. Quote
Argus Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 Perhaps you could, I couldnt. Which is why I am glad that as a society we dont do it any more either. Aside from the moral issue, its ineffective as a deterrent, and much more expensive than just locking them up. I'm not in favour o the death penalty myself, not until we have a way of making 100% sure of the guilt of the individual concerned anyway. But some people just don't deserve to breath. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 I'm not in favour o the death penalty myself, not until we have a way of making 100% sure of the guilt of the individual concerned anyway. But some people just don't deserve to breath. I am not sure we are anywhere close to that 100% level. DNA has helped of course, but just look at the US model, people are convicted simply because they dont have resources for decent lawyers. I say why take the chance. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 All guys who would never get parole under the current system. Your CPC: finding solutions to non-problems since 2006. I feel better now that Paul Bernardo has no chance of getting out......oh wait......what season is it.....oh yeah election season........although it's been that since 2006. Quote
poochy Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Aside from whatever politics is involved here, I find it difficult to understand why people feel any sympathy for someone who purposefully kiils someone in cold blood, under any circumstance, brutal, or otherwise. Life should mean life, i'm against the death penalty, but i dont beleive someone who crosses that line can be, or deserves to be trusted ever again, they don't deserve any more opportunity at normal life than they left their victim. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Aside from whatever politics is involved here, I find it difficult to understand why people feel any sympathy for someone who purposefully kiils someone in cold blood, under any circumstance, brutal, or otherwise. Life should mean life, i'm against the death penalty, but i dont beleive someone who crosses that line can be, or deserves to be trusted ever again, they don't deserve any more opportunity at normal life than they left their victim.False narrative.....just like I'm not in bed any other bogeyman this gov't brings up; not pedophiles, terrorists, welfare cheats, hacktivists, Rogue nations.......or Quebecers (although I guess that one changed now that they are on board for muslim-baiting). Quote
Black Dog Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Aside from whatever politics is involved here, I find it difficult to understand why people feel any sympathy for someone who purposefully kiils someone in cold blood, under any circumstance, brutal, or otherwise. I agree *looks around* so, uh: where are these people? Life should mean life, i'm against the death penalty, but i dont beleive someone who crosses that line can be, or deserves to be trusted ever again, they don't deserve any more opportunity at normal life than they left their victim. Well, the statistics would disagree with you on that one. The vast majority of killers who get parole don't reoffend. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 The vast majority of murder victims do not come back to life. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) Why is it a false narative? It is the narrative. Also don't know why any of you would think the SC would shoot down changes in parol elligibility but allow government to reinstate the death penalty. Talk about a false narrative. Edited March 6, 2015 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 We need this law to ensure that homegrown terrorists are locked up for even longer and that an elected representative must sign the form to let this killer out of prison after 35 years. Upon letting the killer out, the Minister will need to answer to the public for that action. It's not elected judges but I'll take it. It's a step in the right direction. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 The vast majority of murder victims do not come back to life. Did you spend a lot of time making that up, or is it just a normal part of your usual input here... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 We need this law to ensure that homegrown terrorists are locked up for even longer and that an elected representative must sign the form to let this killer out of prison after 35 years. Upon letting the killer out, the Minister will need to answer to the public for that action. It's not elected judges but I'll take it. It's a step in the right direction. Next thing we know you good ole boys will be trying to bring back the death penalty. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Next thing we know you good ole boys will be trying to bring back the death penalty. In certain special cases I have no problem with the death penalty. People like Clifford Olsen, Paul Bernardo types it should be reserved for. Limited appeal process. Like Texas, people should spend 7 years or so on death row exhausting appeals, that's it. I'd like to see a return to hanging, none of that lethal injection nonsense. That's for putting dogs down, too nice for this scum. Hanging is a nice balance. I'd like them to be public events with tailgating, ticket sales etc. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 In certain special cases I have no problem with the death penalty. People like Clifford Olsen, Paul Bernardo types it should be reserved for. Limited appeal process. Like Texas, people should spend 7 years or so on death row exhausting appeals, that's it. I'd like to see a return to hanging, none of that lethal injection nonsense. That's for putting dogs down, too nice for this scum. Hanging is a nice balance. I'd like them to be public events with tailgating, ticket sales etc. I bet you even enjoy putting a dog down dont you. Evolution seems to be so slow.. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) 63% of Canadians support the return of the death penalty. It should be put to a referendum. Let the society decide what to do with psychopaths. Edited March 6, 2015 by LemonPureLeaf Quote
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