guyser Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 It's hard to find precise information but here's what we do know:True. We know he covered the Iraq war for the LA Times in 2002 - and he has not been back in Canada since. That leaves a 40 year old man with about 11 years living in Canada, max - and 6 years as a Canadian. That's not what I would consider "Canadian through and through" The guy hasnt lived anywhere for wuite some time. So his CDN life is the most dominant. The rest does not matter. But the situation is more complexNO it isnt. Some might try to explain away that it is but it isnt. He is a CDN citizen, Consular Services should be serving him and our PM should follow the lead of Abbot and get on the ball. - Fahmy is an Egyptian citizen and therefore subject to Egyptian law. The Australian was not.Patently false. Anyone on CDN soil is subject to CDN law. Anyone on Egyptian soil is subject to Egyptian law.....like the Australian was . You contradict yourself here. Al Jazeera is funded by Qatar - who also fund the Muslim Brotherhood......so you can see, the situation is not as clear as the media make out and a phonecall from Harper without laying a complex diplomatic path would have been fruitless.Have Steve call Tony and ask how easy it is. Tony was able to do it.....Steve got a problem? Quote
eyeball Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 I don't know that Canada has ever had a big relationship with Egypt. Certainly our relationship with them is nothing like the US has.We're with them Argus, that's all that matters. The justifications the different Coalition members bring together in common cause are like links in a chain - a chain that will never possess more integrity than the lamest of the links it's composed of.These are our buddies, our bros, all for one and one for all. I mean, if someone's in for a penny with the Jihadis what does that make them? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 These are all the other options from the Georgia Straight article Jacee quoted number 4 from. I thought they were just as deserving. I have no personal favourite. I'm sticking with my sense the fundamental reason is that he's simply a nasty ill-tempered human being.A sphincter in a word. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 I'm sticking with my sense the fundamental reason is that he's simply a nasty ill-tempered human being. A sphincter in a word. That's still no reason to let him rot in an Egyptian jail. Quote
Argus Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Not quite right there argus. Canadian Consular Services are there to assist a Canadian workiing studying or travelling abroad. Yes, with problems like visas and travel documents and passports, not with demanding the local law let you go. That is their mandate and why they exist. Now some services are not offered , but in this case their mandate to ensure you are treated fairly under a country’s laws if you are arrested or detained applies. Yes, under a country's laws. That is, they are to see that you get treated the same as everyone else. Which isn't necessarily a good thing in a place like Egypt. But they won't supply you with a lawyer, just a list of names you can pick from and hire yourself. And don't expect them to create a diplomatic scene over you, not unless you get your name in the media, anyway. I think perhaps instead of trying to school us on the news, in light of not knowing it, perhaps it best you go and learn it? Just a thought. I haven't said anything which is incorrect. You are simply putting a different interpretation on things. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Fair enough. It means getting a Certificate and or Passport.Of course it also means most of us here did nothing to get the citizenship, no money, no stamp for it. We grew up here. Canadian is who we are, not something we bought. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 It's hard to find precise information but here's what we do know: Born in 1976 Moved to Canada in 1991 Assuming he obtained citizenship fairly quickly - say 5 years - that moves us to 1996 We know he covered the Iraq war for the LA Times in 2002 - and he has not been back in Canada since. That leaves a 40 year old man with about 11 years living in Canada, max - and 6 years as a Canadian. His university education took place in the United States, so deduct four years from that max 11 years and we see him having spent 7 years at most in Canada. You know, I'm kind of attached to this place. If I was away, say, a whole year, I'd kind of feel the need to come back and see the old place. Clearly this man has no such sentimental attachment to Canada. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 That's still no reason to let him rot in an Egyptian jail. Do you know how many Canadians are rotting in prison around the world right now? None of them making the national news? About 1600. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Being a Canadian, to some of us, means more than putting down some money and getting a stamp on a piece of paper.Tell me, are all naturalized citizens lesser Canadians to you or just the brown ones? Quote
jacee Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Tell me, are all naturalized citizens lesser Canadians to you or just the brown ones?Just MUSLIM ones.They're all terrorists to Harper's flock of bigots. . Edited February 28, 2015 by jacee Quote
Topaz Posted February 28, 2015 Author Report Posted February 28, 2015 Come on you guys, IF one has a Canadian citizenship, then you are Canadian no matter how long one has lived in the country. Although, he could be in trouble under one of Harper's new law brought in the last couple years. It's something to do with ..if you are a Canadian and are found guilty of whatever in another country, Canada can kick you out of the country or something like that. There was a big argument over this in committee hearing because some Canadian could be found guilty and not really guilty and were setup. Anyone heard of this law??? Quote
Guest Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Do you know how many Canadians are rotting in prison around the world right now? None of them making the national news? About 1600. You didn't read the lead up to that statement... Quote
Wilber Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Come on you guys, IF one has a Canadian citizenship, then you are Canadian no matter how long one has lived in the country. Although, he could be in trouble under one of Harper's new law brought in the last couple years. It's something to do with ..if you are a Canadian and are found guilty of whatever in another country, Canada can kick you out of the country or something like that. There was a big argument over this in committee hearing because some Canadian could be found guilty and not really guilty and were setup. Anyone heard of this law??? A Canadian citizen can be extradited to any country with which we have an extradition treaty if that country goes through the extradition process in our courts. Canada will not extradite someone if they will be subject to the death penalty. My view of dual citizenship is you choose to be the citizen of the country you are residing in. Why should Canada be responsible for an Egyptian citizen residing in Egypt? If he was residing in Libya for example, he would have a claim on the support of both the Canadian and Egyptian governments because he is not a Libyan citizen. That said, it seems the Egyptian government has indulged itself in a case of bait and switch in this case and I hope he gets out of there soon. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WestCoastRunner Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Did she not jump the gun and say he was going to be released and he ended up not. And now that she is Mrs Geo Clooney, she is now god. Amal Ramzi Alamuddin is an international player in the human rights field of law. She certainly doesn't need George Clooney's name to add to her credentials. Did you actually research her accomplishments or are you just spouting off bs because she is a woman married to a celebrity? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Wilber Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Alamuddin is a lawyer and Fahmi is her client. She will do whatever she thinks she can for her client including crapping on the Canadian government. That's her job. Edited February 28, 2015 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WestCoastRunner Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Alamuddin is a lawyer and Fahmi is her client. She will do whatever she thinks she can for her client including crapping on the Canadian government. That's her job. Of course it's her job. I am not denying that. Wilbur, come on. Pik's attack was on her credentials because she married a celebrity. Pik chose to not investigate her credentials before discrediting her as a woman married to a celebrity. Edited February 28, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Canada has no responsibility for ANY citizens who get in trouble abroad. You don't know that? It's not up to the government to get you out of whatever predicament you fall into for any reason, regardless of who you are or where you were born. Here's news to you liberals. The government is not your mommy or your daddy. Who says you're even a citizen? Yes, he has every legal right a normal Canadian does, even if he's not really a Canadian, having no Canadian blood and having spent virtually no time here during his lifetime. Canadian blood, now you have outdone yourself there. What the hell is that... Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Canadian blood, now you have outdone yourself there. What the hell is that... .....hint of maple syrup and peameal bacon. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Patently false. Anyone on CDN soil is subject to CDN law. Anyone on Egyptian soil is subject to Egyptian law.....like the Australian was . You contradict yourself here. Have Steve call Tony and ask how easy it is. Tony was able to do it.....Steve got a problem? How so? Until his Egyptian citizenship was revoked - and I believe it officially has been only very recently - he was an Egyptian on Egyptian soil. That's the peril of having two citizenships. Now that he is ONLY a Canadian, Harper is free to make a call - and I believe the groundwork is now set for that. Tony Abbott had no such issues. Quote Back to Basics
Bob Macadoo Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 How so? Until his Egyptian citizenship was revoked - and I believe it officially has been only very recently - he was an Egyptian on Egyptian soil. That's the peril of having two citizenships. Now that he is ONLY a Canadian, Harper is free to make a call - and I believe the groundwork is now set for that. Tony Abbott had no such issues. Until someone can point to some Egyptian statute; all persons arrested on Egyptian soil are subject to Egyptian law equally a d charged by prosecution....no matter citizenship, residency, or allegance. The response/defense to those charges are different depending on those factors above however. Quote
Argus Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Just MUSLIM ones. They're all terrorists to Harper's flock of bigots. . Not at all. I simply have standards. That's why I wouldn't want you here either if I had a choice. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 You didn't read the lead up to that statement... My point is you can't have Harper darting around the world playing Captain Canada every time someone gets in trouble abroad. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Canadian blood, now you have outdone yourself there. What the hell is that... That would be someone born to Canadian parents. Is this that difficult a concept for you? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Until someone can point to some Egyptian statute; all persons arrested on Egyptian soil are subject to Egyptian law equally a d charged by prosecution....no matter citizenship, residency, or allegance. The response/defense to those charges are different depending on those factors above however. The government's response to Canadian arrested abroad is always different depending on how much press they get and who's holding them. It's been that way since as long as I have been following events, and likely far, far earlier. I remember when Trudeau Senior went to one of the African border states to chide the South Africans about their human rights abuses there was an item in one of the papers about a Canadian journalist who had been kept in a dark cell crammed with men and boys for over a year in the same town. Trudeau never brought him up with his hosts. The government has never paid much attention to Canadians held abroad unless prodded by the media. And it doesn't matter what brand of government is in power. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bob Macadoo Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 That would be someone born to Canadian parents. Is this that difficult a concept for you? .....oh you mean a citizenship gained by inheritance.....no actual work needed to be done. Gotcha.....I know how I value inheritance wealth more. Quote
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