jacee Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 It's different because they didn't plan to kill people in furtherance of any kind of cause or political, ideological or religious objective. White supremacy is ideological. . Quote
Argus Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 White supremacy is ideological. . There is no evidence they were white supremacists or that their plan was in furtherance of that. There is plenty of evidence they were fascinated, even obsessed with violent death, misery and destruction, and the girl dated a guy who was a webmaster for some kind of nazi website. That's not much to go by in declaring this was related to white supremacy. I mean, if they'd targeted a black area of Nova Scotia, which wouldn't have been hard to do, then you'd have a case. But they didn't. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 There is no evidence they were white supremacists or that their plan was in furtherance of that. There is plenty of evidence they were fascinated, even obsessed with violent death, misery and destruction, and the girl dated a guy who was a webmaster for some kind of nazi website. That's not much to go by in declaring this was related to white supremacy. I mean, if they'd targeted a black area of Nova Scotia, which wouldn't have been hard to do, then you'd have a case. But they didn't. You haven't checked much. . Quote
jacee Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/canada/2015/02/17/halifax-murder-plot-shows-absurdity-of-anti-terror-laws-walkom.html Halifax murder plot shows absurdity of anti-terror laws: Walkom According to Ottawa, murderous Muslim misfits are terrorists. But murderous Nazi misfits are not. ... Thus Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, the Muslim gunman who killed Cirillo, is deemed a terrorist for the simple reason that the RCMP and government say he was. Conversely, alleged Halifax plotters Lindsay Souvannarath and Randall Shepherd (the third suspect, James Gamble, died before he could be arrested) are not terrorists because the federal justice minister says they are not. Yup, that's about it. Harper says so! . Quote
Smallc Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 Or...because their motives were different. This really isn't very difficult. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 Or...because their motives were different. This really isn't very difficult. And what do you suggest as a difference in motive that would cleave between them Quote
jacee Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 Or...because their motives were different. This really isn't very difficult. You mean their motive wasn't "cultural". Mhmm ... Quote
Boges Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 I'm assuming people who are opposed to Anti-Terror legislation are also opposed to Hate-Crime laws. A crime is a crime after all right? Quote
Argus Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 And what do you suggest as a difference in motive that would cleave between them The ones in Halifax were like the Columbine shooters. They really didn't have much of a motive other than an obsession with violence, death and horror. They weren't intending to kill people in order to bring about any sort of change, or on behalf of any kind of message. They weren't trying to further any sort of political goal. Murderous misfits was a reasonably apt description. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 You mean their motive wasn't "cultural". Mhmm ... That's not the only requirement to meet the definition. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 The ones in Halifax were like the Columbine shooters. They really didn't have much of a motive other than an obsession with violence, death and horror. They weren't intending to kill people in order to bring about any sort of change, or on behalf of any kind of message. They weren't trying to further any sort of political goal. Murderous misfits was a reasonably apt description. I would imagine you have a much different opinion of the parliament hill shooter. Quote
Smallc Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 I would imagine you have a much different opinion of the parliament hill shooter. Perhaps that's because we know he had a very different motive, based on the preponderance of the evidence? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 Perhaps that's because we know he had a very different motive, based on the preponderance of the evidence? He was deranged drug addict and of course needs to be locked up. Assigning him a (mission) is just a convenient tack for Harper to use to scare people into thinking C 51 is necessary. Quote
Smallc Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 He was deranged drug addict and of course needs to be locked up. Assigning him a (mission) is just a convenient tack for Harper to use to scare people into thinking C 51 is necessary. And yet we know his stated motives, no matter his mental state. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 And yet we know his stated motives, no matter his mental state. The point being is this is a man who had led a troubled life for years and finally decided to lash out. This was not some great Muslim conspiracy cooked up in a cave in Afghanistan. Quote
WWWTT Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 The ones in Halifax were like the Columbine shooters. They really didn't have much of a motive other than an obsession with violence, death and horror. They weren't intending to kill people in order to bring about any sort of change, or on behalf of any kind of message. They weren't trying to further any sort of political goal. Murderous misfits was a reasonably apt description. LOL! Ya that's right, neo nazi's never have any political motivations. Well just look at Hitler. That guy was the farthest thing from ever being politically motivated! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
jacee Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 That's not the only requirement to meet the definition. That's what Mackay & the RCMP said ... "not cultural ... not terrorism". . Quote
dre Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 So again - please be clear - what is it you want? On one hand, you are paranoid about the legislation's potential for snooping into other areas - but you now what to include skin-heads - and maybe others. What is it that you want? Like I said - you talk a lot - but say vbery little. I dont know about Jacee, but Id like the government and police to do their job with the HUGE ammount of policing powers they already have, and end policies that accomplish nothing for Canadians besides increasing the threat of terrorism. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
jacee Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 And yet we know his stated motives, no matter his mental state. Ya ... suicide. . Quote
Argus Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 He was deranged drug addict and of course needs to be locked up. Assigning him a (mission) is just a convenient tack for Harper to use to scare people into thinking C 51 is necessary. There is no evidence he was deranged. This is simply an excuse used by those on the Left who feel the white man's burden requires them to defend the actions of minorities. That he used drugs has no relevance on his political and religious ideology, which are well known. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 The point being is this is a man who had led a troubled life for years and finally decided to lash out. This was not some great Muslim conspiracy cooked up in a cave in Afghanistan. Lots of people lead troubled lives. You find it mere coincidence he had embraced a murderous religious ideology? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 I dont know about Jacee, but Id like the government and police to do their job with the HUGE ammount of policing powers they already have, and end policies that accomplish nothing for Canadians besides increasing the threat of terrorism. What do you mean 'HUGE amount of policing powers"? Are you suggesting they have more policing powers than other countries? Do you consider yourself an expert on policing? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 The point being is this is a man who had led a troubled life for years and finally decided to lash out. This was not some great Muslim conspiracy cooked up in a cave in Afghanistan. And yet, we have his motives. Quote
jacee Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 And yet, we have his motives. Ya. suicide. . Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted February 19, 2015 Report Posted February 19, 2015 Mackay also said: The attack does not appear to have been culturally motivated, therefore [is] not linked to terrorism, MacKay said. mackay-erred-in-saying-terrorism-must-be-culturally-motivated/ There's nothing in the anti terror law about "culturally motivated". Hahaha, yeah I never said MacKay and the CPC were very bright on their analysis of what constitutes terrorism. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
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