socialist Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 This seems like a nonsense article to me from the Telegraph. I hope Waldo comes back to put nonsense like this to rest. The deniers have a lot of big oil money behind them, so articles like this don't surprise me. The amount of carbon humans put into the atmosphere is destroying the planet. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
eyeball Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 I think it's actually all the crap in people's heads that's going to do us in. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 I think it's superbugs. Or the Russians. Quote
Ash74 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 Political Correctness will lead to mass starvation and economic meltdown. Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
Guest Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 Joking aside though, Socialist, I was wondering what it is about the article that makes you think it is nonsense. It might be. I'm not a skeptic when it comes to whether or not 7 billion people can have an effect on the climate. I'm just wondering what it is specifically about the article that you disagree with. Quote
socialist Posted February 9, 2015 Author Report Posted February 9, 2015 Joking aside though, Socialist, I was wondering what it is about the article that makes you think it is nonsense. It might be. I'm not a skeptic when it comes to whether or not 7 billion people can have an effect on the climate. I'm just wondering what it is specifically about the article that you disagree with. If you aren't able to synthesize the rampant nonsense in the article then you really don't understand the issue. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Guest Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 You mean you don't have a clue? Got it. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 There have been lots of other people writing articles like that. They claim that there's a conspiracy but when their own articles are called out for falsehoods, they don't respond and nobody hears about it. What's harder to believe, that a columnist in a newspaper is wrong or that hundreds of peer-reviewed studies are wrong ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Guest Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Definitely that the peer reviewed studies are wrong. Or they both could be wrong. Or right. What's your point? Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Booker has not cited any credible reference for his claim. Remember, this is the same pundit that stated asbestos is not harmful to health. I have the same level of education as Booker. We are both historians by education. He is a journalist and I am a Peace Officer. I submit that makes me marginally more credible than he is. He made his mark in life as a humourist. This is one more joke. Methane and carbon dioxide inhibit re-radiation of energy. This is a scientific fact. It is predictable, measureable and repeatable. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Michael Hardner Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Definitely that the peer reviewed studies are wrong. Well, believe what you want to I guess... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Guest Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Now I'm confused. Isn't that what you believe? Aren't we agreeing here? Edited February 9, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Now I'm confused. Isn't that what you believe? No. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Guest Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 So you think it is harder to believe that a columnist could be wrong? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 So you think it is harder to believe that a columnist could be wrong? No. Much easier. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Guest Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Phew. So we do agree. I thought so. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Definitely that the peer reviewed studies are wrong. Or they both could be wrong. Or right. What's your point? This reply confused me too. Quote
Guest Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) But it's right below the post where MH asked what was harder to believe. It's the next line! Edited February 9, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
Guest Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) It was fun for a while though. Edited February 9, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
Mighty AC Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 What's harder to believe, that a columnist in a newspaper is wrong or that hundreds of peer-reviewed studies are wrong ? Easy. If the columnist agrees with a pre-held position they are right otherwise they are wrong. If a peer reviewed paper agrees with a pre-held position then it is credible, otherwise everyone knows that scientists just say anything for funding. If only they had the integrity of corporations with billions of dollars at stake. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
poochy Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Idk what it's like everywhere, but i guess that most parts of the civilized world now use digital, direct reading equipment to measure the temperature, of course this used to be done with thermometers, read by humans, who make mistakes, and there is a right and wrong way t do it. Plus you then have to take into account that no measuring device will give you a correct reading if it isn't calibrated properly, i wonder how well calibrated and read were the thermometers of 100 years ago. I am sure that on average it's warmer, but I do get a kick out of the, it's the warmest year ever, by .02 deg C, we are 38% sure of it! That's just propaganda nonsense, even with satellite measurements that is within the margin of error. So if say we have a group of people who know very well that they don't actually KNOW for sure that the world was exactly .02 deg C warmer, and they don't, why then announce it. It couldn't possibly be some sort of bias that leads them to believe it is getting warmer and then they are willing to impune their own scientific honesty if they can at all prove (but not really) that it is. Scientists are not much different than the rest of us in this regard, so if willing to do that, what other things are being done, even subconsciously, that might be affecting outcomes. O and you can take my absolute 100% no doubt, cuz i know for sure opinion that a lot of the time temperature measurements aren't all that accurate, or they sure as hell weren't, though the inaccuracies are probably irrelevant when looking at an average. Edited February 9, 2015 by poochy Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Idk what it's like everywhere, but i guess that most parts of the civilized world now use digital, direct reading equipment to measure the temperature, of course this used to be done with thermometers, read by humans, who make mistakes, and there is a right and wrong way t do it. Plus you then have to take into account that no measuring device will give you a correct reading if it isn't calibrated properly, i wonder how well calibrated and read were the thermometers of 100 years ago. I am sure that on average it's warmer, but I do get a kick out of the, it's the warmest year ever, by .02 deg C, we are 38% sure of it! That's just propaganda nonsense, even with satellite measurements that is within the margin of error. So if say we have a group of people who know very well that they don't actually KNOW for sure that the world was exactly .02 deg C warmer, and they don't, why then announce it. It couldn't possibly be some sort of bias that leads them to believe it is getting warmer and then they are willing to impune their own scientific honesty if they can at all prove (but not really) that it is. Scientists are not much different than the rest of us in this regard, so if willing to do that, what other things are being done, even subconsciously, that might be affecting outcomes. O and you can take my absolute 100% no doubt, cuz i know for sure opinion that a lot of the time temperature measurements aren't all that accurate, or they sure as hell weren't, though the inaccuracies are probably irrelevant when looking at an average. And all that arctic ice that aint there no more. Can we find a way to pawn that off on a possibly faulty thermometer from a hundred years ago. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 i wonder how well calibrated and read were the thermometers of 100 years ago. I am sure that on average it's warmer, but I do get a kick out of the, it's the warmest year ever, by .02 deg C, we are 38% sure of it! True error happens randomly, so you wouldn't see increasing temperatures with error alone. Scientists are not much different than the rest of us in this regard, so if willing to do that, what other things are being done, even subconsciously, that might be affecting outcomes. I guess you're saying that you admit doing a bad job ? There is a marketplace of ideas in science, where theories are challenged and the best ideas more or less survive. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
jbg Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 There have been lots of other people writing articles like that. They claim that there's a conspiracy but when their own articles are called out for falsehoods, they don't respond and nobody hears about it. What's harder to believe, that a columnist in a newspaper is wrong or that hundreds of peer-reviewed studies are wrong ? Definitely that the peer reviewed studies are wrong. Or they both could be wrong. Or right. What's your point? There is certainly "peer pressure" for the "peers" to conform to each other's views. Especially where funding is at stake. Society doesn't shovel billions or install a suffocating bureaucracy to solve a non-problem. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 Is there any actual evidence of this massive globe spanning multi-decade fraud? No whistle blowers, no Facebook pics of climate scientists partying in Vegas and blowing public money on hookers and blow? Any sort of audit trail, has anyone been charged with fraud and if not why not? I mean isn't this a crime? Society doesn't shovel billions or install a suffocating bureaucracy to solve a non-problem. Really? I'm pretty sure I've also seen a few bureaucracies let problems slide until it costs billions even trillions to fix things. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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