Topaz Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 What's the difference between voting online or wearing a heal covering? Quote
eyeball Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 With a covered face others cannot see if you are serious or smirking as if it is a big joke. So how do blind people get around this mole hill mountain of an obstacle? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 So how do blind people get around this mole hill mountain of an obstacle? And what about people who keep their fingers crossed. Quote
cybercoma Posted February 16, 2015 Author Report Posted February 16, 2015 So not allowed to wear a face covering at a protest but it's ok to walk into a bank or an airport or the courthouse with your head covered....makes sense to me...only in Canada.Makes sense to you that simply walking into a bank, airport, or courthouse is the same as committing a crime? Well, that's your problem right there then. Quote
kungfuthug Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Some forms of music offend me. Some types of relationships in public offend me. Some tv shows and movies offend me. Some forums I visit offend me. If I don't like it it is my duty to turn the other way, not try to change everyone else who is fine with it. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 What value does embracing this culture bring to Canada? There's this economic idea known as growth. Our PM, an economist, believes in it and hasn't curtailed immigration. You don't appreciate other cultures, but most Canadians don't have such extreme views as yours so the status quo will continue and the country will continue to grow. The idea of not letting people into the country because you don't like how they look is pretty infantile and worthy of scorn. I doubt you'd say that in public. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 I'm very confrontational. Indeed - harassing people in that way will get you into trouble one day, if it hasn't already. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 They have come to my country and are trying to tell me how it should be... They are wearing something, that is all. The idea that they are telling you something is a voice coming from your own head. I advise you to ignore it. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 No, they are not just wearing something. They are also recruiting for ISIS, building radical mosques etc. You're building little sand castles in your mind. When you see somebody wearing a religious garment, leave them alone. It's illegal to harass people based on your fantasies. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted February 16, 2015 Author Report Posted February 16, 2015 That's not an opinion. You're stating a fact that "they," one can only assume you mean all Muslims, are recruiting for ISIS and building radical mosques. That's quite obviously not true, as there are nearly a million Muslims in Canada. If they were bent on destroying Canada, 1 million people acting in the way you're suggesting would accomplish that easily. We don't even have 1 million people in the armed forces, in fact that's about 10x the number of people in the forces including the public servants. One million Muslims acting in unison to destroy Canada would do so with ease. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 That's quite obviously not true, as there are nearly a million Muslims in Canada. If they were bent on destroying Canada, 1 million people acting in the way you're suggesting would accomplish that easily. Putting facts into discussion like this is like mixing oil and water. Or maybe detergent and dirt... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 MH, no need for insults. I'm not commenting on you, CC, just some of the opinions you have posted - including those that are widely known to have been discredited. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 We don't hide our faces in Canada. The ceremony is to publicly declare their acceptance of the laws and customs of this country. Uncovering their face is the minimum they should be expected to do. All I see are covered faces in Canada, but at this moment it is winter. So it is expected. Quote
Guest Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 MH, no need for insults. I can produce facts as well. This isn't some fantasy but reality. What do you mean sandcastles in my mind? Google Birmingham in the UK. The place is totally Muslim with roaming Islamic police enforcing Sharia. As someone who was born and raised in Bradford, which might have a greater percentage of Muslims than Birmingham, I'm wondering what you mean by "No-Go Zones". I did not avail myself of the recent discussion on the issue which I believe was on Fox News, or some other such outlet. There are definitely ghettos, but any country which has gone down the misguided path of multiculturalism will have those. I don't think there are any areas in my home town where the police fear to tread, but there definitely are areas where a single woman who is not appropriately covered will not go. As for Sharia law, the laws of the land still have to be obeyed on a macro level, but undoubtedly practices such as female genital mutilation go on behind the scenes. Quote
Argus Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) Why should it be offensive for a person to wear the garb of the culture they come from when swearing fealty to a country that celebrates it's multi-culturalism? The purpose of wearing such garb in Canada is to separate oneself from Canadian society, to make it manifest that you are not of that society, that you are different, and disagree with the tenets of that society's culture and values. What bloody sense is there for someone wearing such garb and expressing such sentiments to be invited to join us as a citizen? Edited February 16, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Ive lost track of it at the moment however it stated the hijab is mentioned 7 times in the Quran although it didnt mean literally the exact thing we speak of now. It translates to a barrier which is to be in place to prevent inappropriate thoughts. In other words, the Koran never suggested women be wrapped in shrouds so that you can't even tell who or what is inside Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 In other words, the Koran never suggested women be wrapped in shrouds so that you can't even tell who or what is inside As I said, the Quran says there should be a barrier. That gets interpreted by people, in this case mostly men to their liking. Not unlike the bible and Christianity when you think about it. Quote
Big Guy Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) Capt.Canada is expressing ideas that are not new. We have to protect our culture, religion and way of life from "them" contaminating it. "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life". I wonder who stated that? Hint - initials are A.H. Edited February 16, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
GostHacked Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 The purpose of wearing such garb in Canada is to separate oneself from Canadian society, to make it manifest that you are not of that society, that you are different, and disagree with the tenets of that society's culture and values. What bloody sense is there for someone wearing such garb and expressing such sentiments to be invited to join us as a citizen? Could that be said for any religious garb? Or only because we seem to view this nation as 'Christian' in some fashion? Quote
Argus Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 So we should take your word, It's not like I came up with it. Lots of people have said that same. Farzana Hassan was president of the Muslim Canadian Congress. She called for a ban on the burqa and niqab, both of which obscure all of a woman's face and head except her eyes. She said there's nothing in the koran which calls for them and they both represent a form of 'intolerable subjugation'. Irshad Manji said the following: If a woman who wears hijab or niqab says, "I want to be known for my brains, not my body," I say, "Let's engage your brain power. The niqab is rooted in Arab tribal culture, not in Islam and certainly not in Qu'ranic Islam. How do you reconcile being a walking billboard for one of the more chauvinstic aspects of Arab tribal culture and calling yourself free?" Because not all of us are closed-minded bigots like you. Yes, you keep saying this, trumpeting how magnificently open-minded you are while ironically demonstrating how small-minded you are in the most vituperative of manners. As a matter of fact, you're apparently lacking the intelligence to know the difference between the Niqab and a Burqa. Raised out of seeming nowhere since no one was speaking of the burqua. I guess you simply needed another excuse to trumpet how amazingly superior you are to me. I understand the need for you to make this explicit as it certainly isn't demonstrated by the rationality or logic of your arguments. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) Could that be said for any religious garb? Or only because we seem to view this nation as 'Christian' in some fashion? I think it could to a point. But the most offensive thing about the Muslim garb for women is first that it's only to be used by women. As I said earlier men are free to walk around in t-shirts and shorts on hot days if they so desire, or to wear ordinary bathing suits at the beach or pool. Second, no other religious garb carries this 'I am other' to the same extent as Muslim female garb in that it hides the face, which thus hides the personality, the person, shielding them away from society. Wearing a turban or a yarmulka certainly says "I am other' but it doesn't close that person off from society. It doesn't make them invisible, as it were. Edited February 16, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Why should we allow "these people" to cover their heads and then become citizens of our country! Its an attitude that had been popular in the past; "What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe" - Adolph Hitler The rhetoric from the anti-Islamists is nothing new. Some people learn from the past while others want to repeat it. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 As I said, the Quran says there should be a barrier. That gets interpreted by people, in this case mostly men to their liking. Not unlike the bible and Christianity when you think about it. The koran never said women should cover their faces. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 So you don't really know for sure. We rely on other sources for information. And propaganda cites are not generally accepted here as valid sources. FOX News is about the farthest we go in accepting biased information. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
On Guard for Thee Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 The koran never said women should cover their faces. Ive already discussed what it says. Quote
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