marcus Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Do the Americans know that FOX/CNN are washing over their souls? Do they have any idea what the hell their government is actually doing around the world? Former US drone sensor operator Brandon Bryant admits he “couldn’t stand” himself for his participation in the country’s drone program for six years – firing on targets whose identities often went unconfirmed. Since 2001, and increasingly under the Obama administration, the US has been carrying out drone strikes against targets believed to be affiliated with terrorist organizations in countries like Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia. The program, which has been shrouded in secrecy, has been routinely criticized for the high number of resultant civilian casualties. Pakistan’s Peshawar High Court ruled in 2013 that the attacks constitute a war crime and violate the UN Universal Declaration on Human Rights. Meanwhile the Obama administration continues to insist that drone warfare is a precise and effective method of combat. According to data collected by the human rights group Reprieve and published last November, attempts to kill 41 targeted individuals across Pakistan and Yemen resulted in the deaths of some 1,147 people. Often a kill requires multiple strikes, the group noted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Just saw "The Kill Team" documentary on TV. It is about a platoon of 18 to 20 year olds in Iraq who succumbed to boredom by killing innocent farmers and then planting rifles on them. I found it painful to watch the dehumanization of what appears to be normal young men to a point where killing filled an interest void. This was an isolated case of one platoon and 11 were convicted of various crimes. What kind of damage and baggage are the rest of those veterans bringing home? As for drones, that technology is changing the face of armed conflict and making it far easier to watch people killed (or people you kill) on a monitor than to kill them directly. After all, it is not you who are killing these people but it is the drone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Do the Americans know that FOX/CNN are washing over their souls? Do they have any idea what the hell their government is actually doing around the world? Do Canadians know ? Do they care ? Don't these guys know that it is far better to drop thousands of tonnes of dumb gravity bombs for King and Empire ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 "Extra judicial execution" I think is the legal term. Basically amounts to murder. So much for the "rule of law". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) Do the Americans know that FOX/CNN are washing over their souls? Do they have any idea what the hell their government is actually doing around the world? The people of the countries in which drones are used have had varying roles in choosing their governments. The people bear some responsibility for making bad choices. Former US drone sensor operator Brandon Bryant admits he “couldn’t stand” himself for his participation in the country’s drone program for six years – firing on targets whose identities often went unconfirmed. His responsibility is to fight for his own country, not adhere to his country's enemies, giving them aid and comfort. Since 2001, and increasingly under the Obama administration, the US has been carrying out drone strikes against targets believed to be affiliated with terrorist organizations in countries like Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia. The program, which has been shrouded in secrecy, has been routinely criticized for the high number of resultant civilian casualties. These countries could make it real easy by not hosting jihadist and terrorist groups. Pakistan’s Peshawar High Court ruled in 2013 that the attacks constitute a war crime and violate the UN Universal Declaration on Human Rights. Meanwhile the Obama administration continues to insist that drone warfare is a precise and effective method of combat. I would like to see what rules of procedure they use and the transcript of oral argument. According to data collected by the human rights group Reprieve and published last November, attempts to kill 41 targeted individuals across Pakistan and Yemen resulted in the deaths of some 1,147 people. Often a kill requires multiple strikes, the group noted. If a country permits itself to be used as a base for what amounts to war what do they expect? Edited February 1, 2015 by jbg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 If a country permits itself to be used as a base for what amounts to war what do they expect? Good question. It's probably the last thing a terrorist asks too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 So fighter pilots have the names of all of the people they drop bombs on..? This is too stupid to even call stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 So fighter pilots have the names of all of the people they drop bombs on..? This is too stupid to even call stupid. Some of these people are beyond stupid. They'd adhering to the U.S.'s enemies, giving them aid and/or comfort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Nice colours JBG, pain in the ass to quote properly. The people of the countries in which drones are used have had varying roles in choosing their governments. The people bear some responsibility for making bad choices. Drones are still being used in Pakistan after they told the US to stop the drone strikes. Drones have been used in Yemen and now we only see more turmoil out of Yemen. Drones seem to be working against ISIS (hahah not really) His responsibility is to fight for his own country, not adhere to his country's enemies, giving them aid and comfort. Killing unconfirmed targets is not fighting for his country. Quite the opposite. These countries could make it real easy by not hosting jihadist and terrorist groups. How's that war on terror going? Making any progress there at all?? Which country should be next? If a country permits itself to be used as a base for what amounts to war what do they expect? I say we should bomb Turkey as they are hosting terrorists (aka Free Syrian Army). How's Iraq doing these days? How about Afganistan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Nice colours JBG, pain in the ass to quote properly.Sorry. Was making fun of a post entirely in bold. Drones are still being used in Pakistan after they told the US to stop the drone strikes. Drones have been used in Yemen and now we only see more turmoil out of Yemen. Drones seem to be working against ISIS (hahah not really) Countries that harbor terrorists or are unwilling and/or unable to control them run the risk of serious military action. Killing unconfirmed targets is not fighting for his country. Quite the opposite.Countries that harbor terrorists or are unwilling and/or unable to control them run the risk of serious military action. How's that war on terror going? Making any progress there at all?? Which country should be next?We haven't made it hurt people that matter yet. I say we should bomb Turkey as they are hosting terrorists (aka Free Syrian Army). How's Iraq doing these days? How about Afganistan?I am beginning to lean towards the view that Turkey is as bad as the other couintries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 I say we should bomb Turkey as they are hosting terrorists (aka Free Syrian Army). How's Iraq doing these days? How about Afganistan? Don't forget Iran, Pakistan and Sudan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Don't forget Iran, Pakistan and SudanYep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Don't forget Iran, Pakistan and Sudan Drones have been pounding Pakistan since the invasion of Afghanistan. The US tried a drone over Iran, it got hacked. And none of you give a damn about Sudan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Sorry. Was making fun of a post entirely in bold. Countries that harbor terrorists or are unwilling and/or unable to control them run the risk of serious military action. Turkey AKA NATO is hosting the FSA rebels. Aka terrorists. Afghanistan was host to Al-Queda, aka Muhajedeen under Bin Laden, with arms supplied by the west (USA) to push back on the USSR. Convenient to forget these important items. We haven't made it hurt people that matter yet. And it never will with this blanket approach that is the super surveillance state and the war on terror. I am beginning to lean towards the view that Turkey is as bad as the other couintries. Turkey is NATO. Maybe cry to NATO about it. But then again Saudi Arabia (more corrupt than most Arab nations) are really good friends with the USA. Can't blame Iran or others for anything if the USA has friends like the tyrannical Saudis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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