Keepitsimple Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 As the earth moves through it's latest warming cycle, we've recently been alerted to the fact that 2014 was the "warmest year ever" - after being warned for a couple of months that it would be the warmest ever. What perspective can we put on this claim? Here's a couple of tidbits: 1) "Warmest ever" means going back to 1880 - when meaningful temperature gathering gained a tentative foothold 2) It therefore excludes the Midievel Warming Period - a period lasting hundreds of years where vineyards were commonplace in England and Vikings settled in Greenland and Newfoundland - before abandoningthose posts due to the onset of the ensuing Global Cooling Period. 3) The use of "adjustments" and "homogenization" to temperature readings - which without fail have made the Earlier modern years cooler and the later years warmer - the justification for such being dubious at best. As a result, the Dust-bowl years of the 30's have been reduced from some of the hottest years to an afterthought. 4) And of course it's warming and of course the warmest years will be the most current. The Earth has been continually warming since we exited the last ice age - with long periods of warming and cooling - and shorter periods therein - but always warming in the bigger picture. But how about some specifics about the claim? 1) The claim applies to land and sea global temperatures combined. It's actually the fourth warmest for land temperatures. 2) Here's the last 10 years of land temperature anomolies - the amount (celcius) by which the Global temperature exceeds the average for the 20th century (1901-2000). Notice how we're talking about miniscule ups and downs measured in hundreths of degrees celcius. Does that really warrant a cry from the rooftops? 2005,1.04 2006,0.90 2007,1.08 2008,0.85 2009,0.86 2010,1.06 2011,0.88 2012,0.89 2013,0.99 2014,1.00 3) Measuring the history of ocean temperatures is completely foolish. Prior to the introduction of modern technology in the 80's, temperatures were taken through buckets of water in the shipping lanes. And yet, we have the arrogance to include ocean temperatures going back to 1880. Have a look here for the raw data - click on "anomolies and index data". Link: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-references/faq/anomalies.php Quote Back to Basics
eyeball Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 Warmest Year Ever - What Does That Actually Mean? Not much, which I suspect is why it's called the Warmest Year Ever Recorded. [facetiousness] Notice the difference? [/facetiousness] Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 It's like clockwork, they announce it every year, despite the data. Now NOAA's saying they're 38% sure it was the warmest. What does that even mean, 38% sure? I swear they're just making it up as they go along, just for the headlines. Quote
The_Squid Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 I had no idea that we had an actual climatologist on the forum!! Very cool.... Quote
eyeball Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 It's a mystery to me why the IPCC isn't recruiting the talent we see here on a regular basis. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 I like it warmer...haven't used my snow blower in years. The squirrels like it too. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
-1=e^ipi Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 It's like clockwork, they announce it every year, despite the data. Now NOAA's saying they're 38% sure it was the warmest. What does that even mean, 38% sure? I swear they're just making it up as they go along, just for the headlines. It means that 2014 is in statistical tie with other years, so they don't know for sure if it is the warmest, 2nd warmest or 3rd warmest. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 I like it warmer...haven't used my snow blower in years. The squirrels like it too. Speaking of squirrells... Quote
BubberMiley Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 They're thinking their pants might stay around their waists now that Waldo has been eliminated. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
poochy Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) It's like clockwork, they announce it every year, despite the data. Now NOAA's saying they're 38% sure it was the warmest. What does that even mean, 38% sure? I swear they're just making it up as they go along, just for the headlines. Watch the blasphemy. You're upsetting the faithful. Edited January 22, 2015 by poochy Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 I had no idea that we had an actual climatologist on the forum!! Very cool.... Oh yeah, who needs NOAA and or NASA when we have our own "expert" Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 Oh yeah, who needs NOAA and or NASA when we have our own "expert" How about, use the evidence directly and don't use appeal to authority fallacies when deciding what is true with respect to the Earth's temperature record? I have already explained why this claim is nonsense in the other thread. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/21713-ipcc-exposed/page-6 http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/2014-annus-horribilus-climate-alarmists Quote
eyeball Posted January 26, 2015 Report Posted January 26, 2015 So instead of using your evidence to blow this fallacy and the authorities away you're using it for no other purpose than to rub a few lefties noses in an error that could be responsible for billions and maybe even trillions of dollars of unnecessary taxation, mitigation, adaptation etc? What am I missing here? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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