Hidden Liberal Agenda?

[Ash74]

And here it comes.............

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/11/20/ontario-eyes-cap-and-trade-system-but-pcs-say-its-carbon-tax

Plus cuts to health care,plus a another pie in the sky project MARS, Hydro rates are up,oh and as originally brought up

Cuts to education.

It is only going to get worse.........

[Boges]

It appears they're going full steam ahead with a carbon tax or cap and trade. That's going to suck balls.

They also are going to treat E-cigs as real cigarettes (idiots!) they want to ban flavoured tobacco (idiots!) and are going to force restaurants to post calorie counts (not idiotic but I know that poutine isn't healthy, you don't have to tell me!)

Edited November 24, 2014 by Boges

[eyeball]

Maybe if you conservatives got off your own high-horses when you're in power and legalized all the things you think the public needs to be Nannied to death about...the notion of having a state Nanny to look after us in the first place would just wither and die.

[Boges]

Maybe if you conservatives got off your own high-horses when you're in power and legalized all the things you think the public needs to be Nannied to death about...the notion of having a state Nanny to look after us in the first place would just wither and die.

Doubt it, it's Liberal governments doing this. Where is Wynne on Pot legalization?

It's all done under the guise of public safety but it's really about controlling people.

[GostHacked]

80-99k a year is close enough to 100k for me.

But it's not 100K. After taxes, you are looking at close to 55 or 60K. Many here tend to not like exaggerations.

[eyeball]

Doubt it, it's Liberal governments doing this. Where is Wynne on Pot legalization?

It's all done under the guise of public safety but it's really about controlling people.

It's a fact, and the right controls people for the very same reason.

[Boges]

It's a fact, and the right controls people for the very same reason.

The most Liberal states in the US are the ones that try to ban smoking.

The Conservative ones have lax alcohol and tobacco regulations.

Even if Weed is legalized in Canada, it appears it'll be as painfully regulated as tobacco and alcohol (as you'd expect)

[eyeball]

I'd expect a lot of lefties to thumb their nose at Nanny's regulations and keep on growing their own. I'd also expect most conservatives to fly into a rage and demand Nanny stamp this rebelliousness out.

The conservative ones ban gay marriage...what's your point?

[Boges]

I'd expect a lot of lefties to thumb their nose at Nanny's regulations and keep on growing their own. I'd also expect most conservatives to fly into a rage and demand Nanny stamp this rebelliousness out.

The conservative ones ban gay marriage...what's your point?

And people grow their own flavoured tobacco where? Or make their own E-Cig Juice where?

Maybe the correct terminology is Libertarian as they fall on both sides of the political spectrum. There are many Conservatives that are opposed to the War on Drugs.

Gay Marriage comes on the social conservatism view point. Conservatives generally want less government obstruction.

[DFCaper]

Teachers seem to forever be caught in some judgmental cross hair or another. That must kinda suck.

I always felt that is the result of the teacher unions. They always try to make teacher salaries the biggest election issue. I personally think there are other groups in our society who need the attention more so.

Teachers are treated well in this country, but the way there union cries, you would swear that they are the countries largest victim. I think teachers are well compensated, as they should be. The crying they do and the way they steal attention from the groups that really need help. This angers me to the point where I could care less if they took cuts. The arrogance of there union is a huge turn off.... Similar to Socialist's attitude.

[eyeball]

Maybe the correct terminology is Libertarian as they fall on both sides of the political spectrum.

Conservatives generally want less government obstruction.

But we still end up with it nonetheless.

[eyeball]

I always felt that is the result of the teacher unions. They always try to make teacher salaries the biggest election issue. I personally think there are other groups in our society who need the attention more so.

Teachers are treated well in this country, but the way there union cries, you would swear that they are the countries largest victim. I think teachers are well compensated, as they should be. The crying they do and the way they steal attention from the groups that really need help. This angers me to the point where I could care less if they took cuts. The arrogance of there union is a huge turn off.... Similar to Socialist's attitude

Teacher's unions just do what unions do which is look after themselves and because there are so many teachers their unions are big, stand out more and provide an easy basis for believing and promoting the sense that labour in general is overpaid, entitled and lazy. Even ordinary working people who've either lost or never had or worse forgotten the benefit of being in an organized pool of labour with clout and influence are taking a jaundiced view towards big public sector unions, which are about the only unions still in existence. If teacher's unions are really so concerned about the welfare of their students they should be talking about organizing their parents into One Big Union so we can all enjoy better wages and benefits which of course would trickle down to the kids.

As for Socialist's attitude...it seems contrived and so cliched as to make me wonder if he isn't some really committed die-hard right-winger out to make lefties look like complete idiots. Just like I get the sense that Mr/Capt Canada/Merlin is a lefty out to make righties look ridiculous.

But getting back to teachers, there are times when it seems that one part of society or another is wracked with angst and lamenting how the world is going to hell in a hand basket and the given reasons often come down to a loss of values or the wrong ones being taught which eventually drags teachers into the fray. Politicians have been vowing forever to correct what's wrong by changing curricula, standards, methods etc etc so it's no wonder the whole profession eventually becomes a bit of a scapegoat on the social-ill front as well as labour's.

[DFCaper]

I never noticed the anti teacher union sentiment in NS when I lived there. I certainly see it here in Ontario though. I also remember that the NS Teachers union was like a professional association, where the Ontario teachers unions use the old CAW tactics. So from my experience, the Ontario teachers rather attack the public for a little extra pay, and as a result are ok with the pubic backlash.

I think the difference in public opinions between teachers and people in the medical industry prove this as well. Medical unions are not continuously in the public's face, but are not attacked for there wages and benefits. If teachers don't want to be attacked by the public, then should then question their union as to why the union feels it needs to attack the public.

I was really turned off during the last election when the kids in the 8-12 year old range of my co-workers were coming home from school with the message from the teachers that voting for the Conservatives was wrong... I thought that kind of behavior from teachers was forbidden.

[DFCaper]

On topic, I thought the Liberals ran on having a generous budget for year one, then follow Hudaks cuts for the remainder of the mandate. The remainder was hidden behind union cheer-leading.

I never understood why Sid (CUPE) backed the liberals, but figured unifor just seen the privatization of the government as an opportunity...

[Ash74]

The Ontario Liberals have a history of banning something right after a tax hike to change the news cycle.

Timing seems off this time and banning ecigs with no proof it is a hazard seems really foolish. Many people have quit smoking because of this (myself included)

and this would have been an opportunity to help smokers quit. Why not in a bar or restaurant?

Where is the hazard?

Sure beats the rush to the rez on weekends.

[overthere]

How so ? It sounds like the faculty behaved like many other self-supporting education services I've heard of.

The situation was that there was very little work for new teachers, low demand. That menat that high school grads were not enrolling in Education, the jobs were clearly not here.

The Faculty of Education controls admissions to their faculty.

The responsible action would be to cut back on admissions so those that did graduate would have a better chance at a career. That would mean cutting staff and resources in the Faculty, at least temporarily

Instead, they lowered admissions standards so that school leavers with low marks could get into their faculty, and eventually graduate with four years wasted. The reason was to avoid having to actually manage their money and act as if they cared about the waste of public resources, or about the well being of their own students..

That is not self supporting, that is self serving and irresponsible.

Oh, and of course every student is heavily susidized by taxpayers, the tuition paid is roughly 25-30% of the average cost per student. The faculty is not close to self-supporting. None of them are.

[John]

Does anyone know how much the proposed Ontario Pension Plan is supposed to initially bring in?

I'm not convinced that these pension plan contributions won't be used to bring down, or eliminate the deficit, for 2018.

[Remiel]

I think that contraband alcohol being sold off of reserves would last about thirty seconds before being shut down. Part of the rationale offered for why reserves can get away with cigarettes, besides jurisdiction, is that tobacco is a traditional product native to North America that was cultivated and traded before contact. Alcohol, on the other hand, is something that Europeans introduced. Not being traditional in any way, shape, or form, I do not see the provinces and feds turning a blind eye on that one.

[Boges]

Does anyone know how much the proposed Ontario Pension Plan is supposed to initially bring in?

I'm not convinced that these pension plan contributions won't be used to bring down, or eliminate the deficit, for 2018.

It's supposed to be implemented in 2017.

[Boges]

I think that contraband alcohol being sold off of reserves would last about thirty seconds before being shut down. Part of the rationale offered for why reserves can get away with cigarettes, besides jurisdiction, is that tobacco is a traditional product native to North America that was cultivated and traded before contact. Alcohol, on the other hand, is something that Europeans introduced. Not being traditional in any way, shape, or form, I do not see the provinces and feds turning a blind eye on that one.

You'd have to provide citation for that. Discount Gas can be purchased on reserves and that's as regulated as tobacco.

Tobacco can be sold anywhere, while Alcohol is sold through the provincial monopoly. So it's a bit different. You'd also have to agree to have brewers and/or distillers to sell to you. Doing that could hurt their chances of being carried at the LCBO.

One does wonder if Moonshine is produced on reserves though.

[Ash74]

It is just a form of bootlegging. It comes in from across the border and yes some of it is made on the reserve. It is really nasty.

Nothing will be done about it. Federal or provincial because nobody wants a fight with the natives.

Oh there will seem "big busts" but that won't stop anybody for long.

Edited November 26, 2014 by Ash74

[Boges]

It is just a form of bootlegging. It comes in from across the border and yes some of it is made on the reserve. It is really nasty.

Nothing will be done about it. Federal or provincial because nobody wants a fight with the natives.

Oh there will seem "big busts" but that won't stop anybody for long.

Would they ever stop Whity from buying from them though. It's kind of a legal grey zone, cuz it's legal for them to sell it but only to natives.

[Ash74]

I quit smoking about two months ago. Before I would drive out there grab two cartons and a tank of gas for about 100 bucks.

Can't stand the really cheap bags they were just nasty.

Never once did I see an O.P.P. around and when they did a "blitz" there was always plenty of warning.

Bought my computer tax free on the rez and my TV.

It is pretty cheap if you know where to go.

[overthere]

My taxes is all the support I will give to the Indians. It seems they cause trouble and disruptions in a lot of places every year. It's a shame. Instead of focusing on what they can get for free they should put that energy towards bettering their communities. They are given Billions every year and most of it goes to the leadership and not the people. That that fake Indian council woman who camped out on the Island on a starvation ration until it was found out she was committing fraud on her own people. Then she quietly and quickly left town...lol. That was priceless.

Yeah, it is nothing like the House of Commons, where 308 mostly white politicians are all clones of Nelson Mandela, possessed of the highest levels of personal integrity.

[overthere]

Not surprisingly, my post above went over your head like a 747.

Your attitude makes me puke.

Unfortunately, you are far from alone in those views.