Big Guy Posted November 11, 2014 Report Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Kevin Vickers who has been reported to be the person who shot the deranged or lunatic or terrorist or whatever guy in the Parliament buildings in Ottawa will be honoured for his feat - In Israel. There was a movement here in Canada to honor his participation but he apparently declined the honor. On the other hand, the Israeli Knesset has offered to honor him and it is reported that he has accepted. A very interesting event that should solidify that this guy shooting in Ottawa was really a terrorist. Why is he honored in Israel and not Canada? http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/kevin-vickers-to-be-honoured-at-isralei-knesset-1.2095832 (I hope reference is correct - I had to key it in.) Please add addition references if interested. Edited November 11, 2014 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 11, 2014 Report Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) He shot a corpse. Who cares? Edited November 12, 2014 by Charles Anthony deleted quote of entire Opening Post Quote
Smallc Posted November 11, 2014 Report Posted November 11, 2014 The corpse was still alive as a result of situational adrenalin. After, he was dead. I'd like to see you do something similar. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 11, 2014 Report Posted November 11, 2014 The corpse was still alive as a result of situational adrenalin. After, he was dead. I'd like to see you do something similar. When we stoop as low as to make a big fuss over a retired cop putting a bullet into a dead corpse, I think we need to rethink things a bit. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Posted November 11, 2014 Why is he honored in Israel and not Canada? http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/kevin-vickers-to-be-honoured-at-isralei-knesset-1.2095832 I would say that he was honored by the entire House on the 23rd.........with that said, from a differing report: Vickers is in Israel to attend a major conference on security in Tel Aviv, a trip planned long before the shootings in Ottawa. He is part of a delegation sponsored by the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs that includes other Canadian police and security officials. Quote
Smallc Posted November 11, 2014 Report Posted November 11, 2014 When we stoop as low as to make a big fuss over a retired cop putting a bullet into a dead corpse, I think we need to rethink things a bit. I think you have a real problem with context. No one is celebrating death. Quote
Big Guy Posted November 11, 2014 Author Report Posted November 11, 2014 The motivation and the state of mental health of the shooter has been questioned and analyzed. The implication is that Israel is celebrating Vickers for doing something towards their cause and against their enemy thereby cementing the "terrorist" label on the shooter. This does play into the Harper government excuse for involvement against ISIS since I am sure Vickers got the OK from the PMO for this honor. Politicizing a tragedy? Never!! Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Derek 2.0 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Posted November 11, 2014 This does play into the Harper government excuse for involvement against ISIS since I am sure Vickers got the OK from the PMO for this honor. Politicizing a tragedy? Never!! Vickers had planned to attend a security conference in Israel months prior to the Ottawa shootings.......... Quote
Big Guy Posted November 11, 2014 Author Report Posted November 11, 2014 And he planned to visit the Knesset and be honoured when he booked the trip? Apparently you feel there is no attempt at politicizing Harper policy, with Harper's OK, by arranging this presentation. I think this is purely political and takes away from the seriousness of the incident. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
PIK Posted November 11, 2014 Report Posted November 11, 2014 Harper won the last election, get over it. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 11, 2014 Report Posted November 11, 2014 I think you have a real problem with context. No one is celebrating death. I think my "context" is fine. If you read again what I posted you'll see that's not what I implied. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Posted November 11, 2014 And he planned to visit the Knesset and be honoured when he booked the trip? Apparently you feel there is no attempt at politicizing Harper policy, with Harper's OK, by arranging this presentation. I think this is purely political and takes away from the seriousness of the incident. I don't see that, nor see why you'd feel that way. Vickers was honored by all Canadian MPs in the House and will receive similar treatment in Israel by their elected representatives well attending a prior arranged conference.........the only one attempting to politicizing this is you. Quote
Moonbox Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) I think my "context" is fine. If you read again what I posted you'll see that's not what I implied. What you posted was a doltish attempt to trivialize the actions of a man who put himself in potential danger to keep other people safe. If anyone needs to rethink anything, it's you. Mr. Vickers did a brave thing and it was a small positive to take out of a really sad story. Your mean-spirited belittlement of even that raises some questions about your state of mind. Edited November 12, 2014 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Big Guy Posted November 12, 2014 Author Report Posted November 12, 2014 Releasing that video of what happened during that firefight might shed some light on the actions of Mr Vickers, the shooter and the other law enforcement team members. But a few members of this board do not agree. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 Releasing that video of what happened during that firefight might shed some light on the actions of Mr Vickers, the shooter and the other law enforcement team members. But a few members of this board do not agree. You mean like almost no one agrees? Was that what you meant to say? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
The_Squid Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 I find it very odd to be "honoured" in a foreign country for shooting a drug addict crazy guy.... Talk about politicizing.... this is crass. Quote
jbg Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) Harper won the last election, get over it.They will never recover from Harper Derangement Syndrome. I find it very odd to be "honoured" in a foreign country for shooting a drug addict crazy guy.... Talk about politicizing.... this is crass. How about for upholding civilization? Edited November 16, 2014 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 I find it very odd to be "honoured" in a foreign country for shooting a drug addict crazy guy.... Talk about politicizing.... this is crass. There's nothing strange about it whatsoever. This was a conference of professionals involved in security work. Naturally they find reason to congratulate a colleague who performed well. As for the Israeli government which has been beset by murderous Muslim terrorists for its entire existence, it's only natural they would congratulate someone who had confronted one successfully. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
The_Squid Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 They will never recover from Harper Derangement Syndrome.How about for upholding civilization? Shooting a lone drug addict gunman is "upholding civilization"? You have a very high opinion of what a single crazy guy can do to damage our entire civilization. Quote
jbg Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 Shooting a lone drug addict gunman is "upholding civilization"? You have a very high opinion of what a single crazy guy can do to damage our entire civilization. The U.S. hasn't totally recovered from JFK's assassination. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
The_Squid Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 The U.S. hasn't totally recovered from JFK's assassination. What does that have to do with anything? Canada is more pragmatic and seems to handle such tragedies much better. But so what? This didn't happen in America. It's a red herring. Quote
Moonbox Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 What does that have to do with anything? Well you brought into question how profoundly ONE person can affect civilization. JFK's assassination is one example. Have you ever heard of Franz Ferdinand? I wonder... Canada is more pragmatic and seems to handle such tragedies much better. But so what? and you're likely basing this on little more than self-serving bias/delusion. It's a red herring. It wasn't a red herring. It was a fairly simple illustration of how brain-dead your comment was. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
jbg Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 What does that have to do with anything? Canada is more pragmatic and seems to handle such tragedies much better. But so what? This didn't happen in America. It's a red herring. Other than Pierre LaPorte's assassination during the FLQ what other major assassinations have you had? Knowing you you'll probably say Louis Riel. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 I think if I was a cop, especially in the US where they probably shoot one of these lone wolf wacko's on a daily basis, I'd feel rather slighted. No big fanfare for them, just a bunch of paperwork to fill out. It will be especially interesting if/when the autopsy reveals that Vickers shot a corpse. Quote
jbg Posted November 16, 2014 Report Posted November 16, 2014 I think if I was a cop, especially in the US where they probably shoot one of these lone wolf wacko's on a daily basis, I'd feel rather slighted. No big fanfare for them, just a bunch of paperwork to fill out. It will be especially interesting if/when the autopsy reveals that Vickers shot a corpse. Does it matter if it was a corpse if that status was only momentary at that time? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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