School Shooting in America

[cybercoma]

Yeah...because we never see "overaggressive" responses by polizia in other nations, including Canada.

I never even implied that you don't. You see it far more often in the US though.

[bush_cheney2004]

We'll have to take your expert word on that...having such deep knowledge of all such police activities around the world.

[Smallc]

BS they do. You tell someone that a person has a gun on someone and the police response is vastly different from them just showing up at a house because two people are arguing.

They always assume guns are present. If they don't they're idiots.

[Big Guy]

The young shooter texted his friends to meet him in the cafeteria at a certain table. After they had gathered, he walked up behind them and started shooting. One member who he shot in the face was his cousin. Relatives stated that the shooter and his cousin were "inseparable", being seen together most of the time.

It is pretty obvious that this young man was not "in his right mind". I hope there is an investigations as to what triggered this action.

[dre]

They always assume guns are present. If they don't they're idiots.

Police show up to different calls in different ways. Sometimes they start out with guns drawn, sometimes they arrive with more backup, sometimes they wear bullet proof vests, etc etc.

It seems to naive to me to suggest that its not valuable for police to know as much as possible about who, and what might be on the premises for each call.

[On Guard for Thee]

Yeah...because we never see "overaggressive" responses by polizia in other nations, including Canada. U.S. citizens have constitutional gun rights, and lots of guns. Police officer training recognizes this reality...."GUN !!! "

Yup, and the results showed up on the floor of the MP High school cafeteria.

[cybercoma]

They always assume guns are present. If they don't they're idiots.

Are you telling me they show up to a situation where shots have been fired the exact same way they show up to a noise complaint? That's BS. When they know there are guns there or guns are involved, they treat the calls very differently.

[Smallc]

They always assume they're present. If they know there is an clear and immediate danger they respond differently, but they are and always should be ready for the possibility that there are weapons present.

[bush_cheney2004]

So police officers routinely wear ballistic vests and armour carriers as a fashion statement ?

Or are they prepared for gun wielding perps in the "gun crazy" USA ?

[On Guard for Thee]

You could be onto something there.

[bush_cheney2004]

Thing I can't quite figure out yet is why all these concerned Canadians are so worried about my data privacy rights but not my right to own and bear firearms. And one of those is actually enumerated in the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

[Derek 2.0]

I find that a little, no, a lot far fetched.

So, you think it far fetched that police don't drop their guard when called to domestic violence call if nothing showed up on the registry?

But to go back to what Cyber has aptly pointed out, if you go buy a trailer to haul your boat around on, you have to register it. How many high school students do you recall being killed by a boat trailer?

How does a registry prevent students from being killed?

[Derek 2.0]

BS they do. You tell someone that a person has a gun on someone and the police response is vastly different from them just showing up at a house because two people are arguing.

Are people that commit gun crimes likely to register their firearms?

[Derek 2.0]

It seems to naive to me to suggest that its not valuable for police to know as much as possible about who, and what might be on the premises for each call.

Warrantless wiretaps it is then........

[On Guard for Thee]

So, you think it far fetched that police don't drop their guard when called to domestic violence call if nothing showed up on the registry?

How does a registry prevent students from being killed?

Gun laws in general help to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. One need only look at the carnage south of the border to see that.

[Derek 2.0]

Gun laws in general help to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. One need only look at the carnage south of the border to see that.

You're waffling.......how does a registry prevent children from shooting each other?

[On Guard for Thee]

You're waffling.......how does a registry prevent children from shooting each other?

Because it might just stop them from getting their hands on guns.

[Derek 2.0]

Because it might just stop them from getting their hands on guns.

How does the registry stop them from getting their hands on guns?

[dre]

Warrantless wiretaps it is then........

Hahahaha Well played sir.

[Derek 2.0]

Hahahaha Well played sir.

Don't get me wrong, I don't oppose affording effective measures to the police, or laws that can enhance public safety............With guns, I favor safe storage requirements within reason, nor do I oppose licensing.........such measures will reduce the ability of children, criminals and mentally ill people from obtaining firearms..........

Now if the RCMP deems me safe to own firearms and grants me a license, hence does not consider myself a threat, what mater is it the number and types of guns I own?

[On Guard for Thee]

How does the registry stop them from getting their hands on guns?

You don't quite seem to get it. The registry let's cops know who has guns. Stringent gun laws such as background checks are what stops the wrong people from getting guns.

[Derek 2.0]

You don't quite seem to get it. The registry let's cops know who has guns. Stringent gun laws such as background checks are what stops the wrong people from getting guns.

You suggested the registry prevents school shootings........How?

The registry lets the cops know who has the guns? What like all the criminals using guns to commit crimes?

[dre]

You don't quite seem to get it. The registry let's cops know who has guns. Stringent gun laws such as background checks are what stops the wrong people from getting guns.

The problem is... the government does not do IT well. I agree the gun registry might be useful at times, but is it worth the hundreds of millions of dollars it would take for the idiots in Ottawa to make it work? Highly doubtful.

What law and order types dont understand and dont like to here is that its OK for some people to get shot up or die in terrorist attacks. And those things are still going to happen even if we spent a TRILLION dollars. What matters is whether or not these crimes are more or less under control, and that we have enough order in society to allow people to go about their business.

In my view Canada doesnt have enough gun crime or terrorism to be a problem worth spending a bunch of additional money on. From what I can tell we are one of the safest places to live in the world.

[On Guard for Thee]

The problem is... the government does not do IT well. I agree the gun registry might be useful at times, but is it worth the hundreds of millions of dollars it would take for the idiots in Ottawa to make it work? Highly doubtful.

What law and order types dont understand and dont like to here is that its OK for some people to get shot up or die in terrorist attacks. And those things are still going to happen even if we spent a TRILLION dollars. What matters is whether or not these crimes are more or less under control, and that we have enough order in society to allow people to go about their business.

In my view Canada doesnt have enough gun crime or terrorism to be a problem worth spending a bunch of additional money on. From what I can tell we are one of the safest places to live in the world.

And we are because of much tougher gun laws. I rest my case.

[dre]

You suggested the registry prevents school shootings........How?

The registry lets the cops know who has the guns? What like all the criminals using guns to commit crimes?

Most of those guns were legally purchased at some point.

In my opinion you can make the same argument for firearms registration as you can for automobile registration. Being able to trace a gun back to its origional point of sale provides a breadcrumb trail that can be useful in some cases even the gun has been stolen at some point along the way.

For example... a registered gun gets ditched near the scene of a robbery. Its stolen, so you cant use the registry to directly get the perps name. But you DO have a second crime scene now... You know the gun was stolen from Bob Jones a month ago, in a nearby town. Now you have another avenue of investigation. Maybe theres clues at that second crime scene as to who the perp is.

Its just information.

In any case... thats besides the point because the government has proven they cant implement it in a cost effective way... and gun crime isnt a big enough issue to justify spending hundreds of millions on a registry any more than terrorism is a big enough issue to justify spending hundreds of millions of cybersnooping.