On Guard for Thee Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 You suggested the registry prevents school shootings........How? The registry lets the cops know who has the guns? What like all the criminals using guns to commit crimes? Gun laws help to prevent shootings, not just in schools. A registry helps cops know where guns are. It's fairly simple. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 Most of those guns were legally purchased at some point. In my opinion you can make the same argument for firearms registration as you can for automobile registration. Being able to trace a gun back to its origional point of sale provides a breadcrumb trail that can be useful in some cases even the gun has been stolen at some point along the way. For example... a registered gun gets ditched near the scene of a robbery. Its stolen, so you cant use the registry to directly get the perps name. But you DO have a second crime scene now... You know the gun was stolen from Bob Jones a month ago, in a nearby town. Now you have another avenue of investigation. Maybe theres clues at that second crime scene as to who the perp is. Its just information. In any case... thats besides the point because the government has proven they cant implement it in a cost effective way... and gun crime isnt a big enough issue to justify spending hundreds of millions on a registry any more than terrorism is a big enough issue to justify spending hundreds of millions of cybersnooping. Your point mooted for $10.97 at Home Depot........... Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 Gun laws help to prevent shootings, not just in schools. A registry helps cops know where guns are. It's fairly simple. You said the registry helps prevent school shootings........how? If the "cops" know where all the guns are, why don't they go and pick-up every gang-bangers piece in greater Toronto? Quote
dre Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 Your point mooted for $10.97 at Home Depot........... Yup, and same thing goes for the bulk electronic surveillance. Easy for criminals and terrorists to work around... and even worse because we will telegraph our moves and tell them what we plan to do. I suppose in both cases there will be people that dont bother to file off identifying numbers, or dont both to encrypt their communications... Like I said... Im not arguing for a gun registry. In my opinion gun and terrorism levels are acceptable, and we should spend any money fixing what isnt broken. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Derek 2.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 Yup, and same thing goes for the bulk electronic surveillance. Easy for criminals and terrorists to work around... and even worse because we will telegraph our moves and tell them what we plan to do. I suppose in both cases there will be people that dont bother to file off identifying numbers, or dont both to encrypt their communications... Like I said... Im not arguing for a gun registry. In my opinion gun and terrorism levels are acceptable, and we should spend any money fixing what isnt broken. I don't know if you've ever owned any pre-68 guns without serial numbers, but for those that did, the CFC sent out stickers to the owners to put on so as to identify the guns..... Quote
dre Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 You said the registry helps prevent school shootings........how? If the "cops" know where all the guns are, why don't they go and pick-up every gang-bangers piece in greater Toronto? I honestly think buy-backs would work better. Most criminals arent all that successful in life and lots of them are just trying to get a few hundred bucks for their next fix. The money spent on a registry would probably do more to reduce gun crime if we offered to buy illegal guns from criminals for a few hundred dollars no questions asked. If we spent the 200 million we wasted on the now defunkt registry on buyback programs paying $300 per gun we could have gotten 666,666 illegal weapons off the streets. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Derek 2.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 I honestly think buy-backs would work better. Most criminals arent all that successful in life and lots of them are just trying to get a few hundred bucks for their next fix. The money spent on a registry would probably do more to reduce gun crime if we offered to buy illegal guns from criminals for a few hundred dollars no questions asked. If we spent the 200 million we wasted on the now defunkt registry on buyback programs paying $300 per gun we could have gotten 666,666 illegal weapons off the streets. They had a level of success in Oakland...........I think using the money to warrant off smugglers would be a better use of resources..... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 You said the registry helps prevent school shootings........how? If the "cops" know where all the guns are, why don't they go and pick-up every gang-bangers piece in greater Toronto? You keep asking the same stupid question so it's getting broken recordish. If a cop gets dispatched to a domestic call and they can see from the registry there is a glock and and a shotgun at that residence it might just be a heads up as to how he/they approach the situation. And then consider this, we have tougher gun laws here than they have in the US where you are 7 times more likely to be murdered by someone with a gun. I didn't make the stats, but I can understand them. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 You keep asking the same stupid question so it's getting broken recordish. If a cop gets dispatched to a domestic call and they can see from the registry there is a glock and and a shotgun at that residence it might just be a heads up as to how he/they approach the situation. And then consider this, we have tougher gun laws here than they have in the US where you are 7 times more likely to be murdered by someone with a gun. I didn't make the stats, but I can understand them. You said the registry helped to prevent school shootings........I'd love to know how many teenagers registered their school Glocks Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 You said the registry helped to prevent school shootings........I'd love to know how many teenagers registered their school Glocks That's even stupider. Quote
dre Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 They had a level of success in Oakland...........I think using the money to warrant off smugglers would be a better use of resources..... Yup or do both... but unless gun crime becomes a more serious problem, I would just not spend the money at all. We cant go off half cocked every time some emotional crime happens. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Derek 2.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 That's even stupider. Did you not state the LGR prevented school shootings and allowed the cops to know where all the guns are? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 Did you not state the LGR prevented school shootings and allowed the cops to know where all the guns are? Nope. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 The only thing that the LGR prevented was under-employed IT workers. It no longer exists in Canada, and sure as hell won't exist in the U.S. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 The only thing that the LGR prevented was under-employed IT workers. It no longer exists in Canada, and sure as hell won't exist in the U.S. Praise the lord and pass the ammo. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 Lawful Americans have the right to own and bear arms; this right will not be extinguished because of unlawful actions by criminals and/or the mentally ill...or misplaced wishing from north of the border. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 Lawful Americans have the right to own and bear arms; this right will not be extinguished because of unlawful actions by criminals and/or the mentally ill...or misplaced wishing from north of the border. No but a lot of innocent lives will be extinguished due to testosterone poisoning and stupidity. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 The only thing that the LGR prevented was under-employed IT workers. It no longer exists in Canada, and sure as hell won't exist in the U.S. And such talk is a third rail among parties that want to one day govern in Canada....... Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 No but a lot of innocent lives will be extinguished due to testosterone poisoning and stupidity. Gun deaths have been declining in the United States since the 70s........ Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 Gun deaths have been declining in the United States since the 70s........ Yep, they're now down to 7 times the rate in Canada. Maybe if they had some real gun laws they could attempt to approach our numbers. Doubtful though. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 The U.S. doesn't want to be like Canada....very boring !! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 The U.S. doesn't want to be like Canada....very boring !! I'm sure that's what the parents in Marysville Wa. are thinking right now. I'm sure they are truly enjoying the excitement. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 Yep, they're now down to 7 times the rate in Canada. Maybe if they had some real gun laws they could attempt to approach our numbers. Doubtful though. There are far more gun laws in the United States than Canada.......Federal/State/County etc Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 I'm sure that's what the parents in Marysville Wa. are thinking right now. I'm sure they are truly enjoying the excitement. If the parents had of heeded the NRA's recommended advice on safe storage the shooting wouldn't have taken place with the fathers gun.......likewise Sandy Hook. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 There are far more gun laws in the United States than Canada.......Federal/State/County etc Yeah right. Ever tried to buy a gun in the US? I have, easy peasy. Go to a gun show is one of the easiest ways. I could have been Charlie Manson, wouldn't have mattered. If you are going to put the NRA in charge of gun safety you may as well hire a fox to guard the henhouse. Quote
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