Utter Incompetence in Dealing with Ebola

[Argus]

Canada has acted like it always does....lots of media references to the U.S. CDC., south of the border. In North America, Ebola has not become the SARS fiasco we saw in Canada.

Do tell us why your timid, frightened politicians are falling all over themselves to put anyone who comes back from treating Ebola into confinement when Canada and Europe aren't bothering. Obama was pictured hugging people back from Africa. I get the idea Christie would scream like a little girl and run -- well, waddle -- away as fast as his fat little feet would carry him if he even saw one down the block.

Edited October 31, 2014 by Argus

[bush_cheney2004]

Do tell us why your timid, frightened politicians are falling all over themselves ....

Because there is an election next week...and in two years. Australia did ban travel to Ebola vacation spots. The judge in Maine smacked down mandatory quarantines just as predicted. Still doing better than SARS !!

[On Guard for Thee]

Canada has acted like it always does....lots of media references to the U.S. CDC., south of the border. In North America, Ebola has not become the SARS fiasco we saw in Canada.

SARS is/was an airborne virus. We fixed it here by quarantining people with pneumonia. SARS affected every continent except Antarctica. What's your point? Oh yeah I forgot.

[bush_cheney2004]

Do tell us why timid, frightened Canada has banned travel from impacted countries:

Canada is following in Australia's footsteps and has closed its doors, effectively immediately, to people from the West African countries battling Ebola.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ebola-canada-suspending-visas-for-residents-of-outbreak-countries-1.2820090

[On Guard for Thee]

Do tell us why timid, frightened Canada has banned travel from impacted countries:

Canada is following in Australia's footsteps and has closed its doors, effectively immediately, to people from the West African countries battling Ebola.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ebola-canada-suspending-visas-for-residents-of-outbreak-countries-1.2820090

I didn't realize you were such an Obama supporter! Good going.

[Argus]

Do tell us why timid, frightened Canada has banned travel from impacted countries:

What we do with restricting foreigners is not of any importance to me. It's what we do to Canadians that matters.

Clearly you don't care what happens to Americans and their freedoms.

[cybercoma]

What we do with restricting foreigners is not of any importance to me. It's what we do to Canadians that matters.

Clearly you don't care what happens to Americans and their freedoms.

Americans don't generally care about other Americans. It's every man for himself and f*** everyone else. They call it Liberty.

[Michael Hardner]

Americans don't generally care about other Americans.

Lots of problems with this, eg. cultural prism, generalization, no cite, flies in the face of the long-documented generosity of average Americans...

Cite:

Forbes article from this month:

Wealthy Americans Are Giving Less Of Their Incomes To Charity, While Poor Are Donating More

http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasavchuk/2014/10/06/wealthy-americans-are-giving-less-of-their-incomes-to-charity-while-poor-are-donating-more/

[jbg]

Americans don't generally care about other Americans. It's every man for himself and f*** everyone else. They call it Liberty.

That is just not true. We hold doors open for each other.

[bush_cheney2004]

Americans don't generally care about other Americans. It's every man for himself and f*** everyone else. They call it Liberty.

Utter nonsense of course....Americans have long been quite caring and giving domestically and internationally.....more than Canadians. Canadians don't give as much....they call it "being frugal".

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/blogs/pay-day-/canadians-less-charitable-americans-study-114716509.html

http://philanthropy.com/article/Americans-Are-Most-Generous/130137/

Edited November 2, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[Michael Hardner]

...and... thread drift... to which I contributed... but anyway... moving on...

[bush_cheney2004]

What we do with restricting foreigners is not of any importance to me. It's what we do to Canadians that matters.

Clearly you don't care what happens to Americans and their freedoms.

Why do you care what happens to Americans and their freedoms ? I have already explained what would happen if a mandatory quarantine was attempted.....due process struck it down. Timid and afraid...in Canada.

[Big Guy]

It looks like any military deployments to the ebola zones will have a mandatory 21 day quarantine. Soldiers follow orders.

I believe that the nurse who decided to unquarantine herself did the wrong thing. If she is indeed part of the heath system and cares for the well being of others then what about the sense of security of those people who lives close to her? What about their sense of well being?

I thought that she was selfish and did nothing to promote more involvement in the West towards the epidemic in Africa.

[On Guard for Thee]

It looks like any military deployments to the ebola zones will have a mandatory 21 day quarantine. Soldiers follow orders.

I believe that the nurse who decided to unquarantine herself did the wrong thing. If she is indeed part of the heath system and cares for the well being of others then what about the sense of security of those people who lives close to her? What about their sense of well being?

I thought that she was selfish and did nothing to promote more involvement in the West towards the epidemic in Africa.

Sure she did. She showed you can serve the cause in W. Africa and not have your freedom taken away by a knee jerk reaction by some whacky politician.

[Big Guy]

And how does that alleviate the concerns and sense of security of her neighbors?

I suggest that if you really believed in serving the cause in W. Africa then you would do so even if the process included a 3 week paid vacation at home. How much of a hardship is it to stay at home and get paid for the process?

[On Guard for Thee]

And how does that alleviate the concerns and sense of security of her neighbors?

I suggest that if you really believed in serving the cause in W. Africa then you would do so even if the process included a 3 week paid vacation at home. How much of a hardship is it to stay at home and get paid for the process?

She is asymptomatic and has tested negative twice. And how can you assume it's going to be a paid "vacation"?

[cybercoma]

...and... thread drift... to which I contributed... but anyway... moving on...

Oh sure. Throw a shot then shut down the discussion.

[Michael Hardner]

Oh sure. Throw a shot then shut down the discussion.

Mea culpa. I should have recognized the thread drift and moved on.

[bush_cheney2004]

...I believe that the nurse who decided to unquarantine herself did the wrong thing. If she is indeed part of the heath system and cares for the well being of others then what about the sense of security of those people who lives close to her? What about their sense of well being?

What about them ? Or do you mean her Canadian neighbours just across the border ? She forced the "health system" to revisit the currently defined risk for infection and state quarantine protocols. She also provided a lot of media exposure (pun intended) and public education for the issue, which may actually reduce fears and ignorance.

I thought that she was selfish and did nothing to promote more involvement in the West towards the epidemic in Africa.

Quite to the contrary, she asserted her rights based "on the science". Why is fear and ignorance OK in this instance ?

Edited November 3, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[Big Guy]

To On Guard ... My comment was based on my previous suggestion as to the conditions under which health workers should be sent into the danger zones. I think this lady was trying to make a point and did so. She certainly has that right - but - if she is a caring health care worker then why did she place her agenda over the concerns of her neighbors?

You obviously believe she was right to do what she did. I do not.

When she was ordered to be under quarantine by the government, she decided to ride her bike in public approaching a school and people started to throw rocks at her - should they be charged?

My point is that there is a way to try to make a point. She should have known the sensitivity and/or lack of knowledge about ebola in her community created great concerns for her neighbors.

But that is just my opinion. If I was her I would not have done what she did.

[bush_cheney2004]

Nurse Kaci Hickox has done far more to understand and fight ebola than anybody insisting that she must be quarantined.

[On Guard for Thee]

To On Guard ... My comment was based on my previous suggestion as to the conditions under which health workers should be sent into the danger zones. I think this lady was trying to make a point and did so. She certainly has that right - but - if she is a caring health care worker then why did she place her agenda over the concerns of her neighbors?

You obviously believe she was right to do what she did. I do not.

When she was ordered to be under quarantine by the government, she decided to ride her bike in public approaching a school and people started to throw rocks at her - should they be charged?

My point is that there is a way to try to make a point. She should have known the sensitivity and/or lack of knowledge about ebola in her community created great concerns for her neighbors.

But that is just my opinion. If I was her I would not have done what she did.

If I was here I'd have done exactly what she did. If I had no symptoms and had two tests showing negative I would not want to be confined to my house for 3 weeks because of some neighbors fear based out of their ignorance.

[Big Guy]

We all have the right to different opinions - but I am glad that I am not your neighbor.

[On Guard for Thee]

I see the state has now thrown out the idea of quarantine and asked the nurse to monitor herself for symptoms. I bet she was already doing that without the government, or the neighbors intervening.

[Argus]

Why do you care what happens to Americans and their freedoms ? I have already explained what would happen if a mandatory quarantine was attempted.....due process struck it down. Timid and afraid...in Canada.

I don't care. I was merely commenting on the interesting way your political heroes are running around screaming and sobbing in terror of ebola.