jbg Posted May 2, 2015 Report Posted May 2, 2015 If you criticize Israel's murder of thousands of Palestinians, you "hate Israel"? Give it a rest, rue. We don't like what Israel is doing, we don't support it's actions. Your pitiful baiting suggests you have nothing reasonable to say. When the context is a war, casualties are what you'd expect. Except for Egypt and Jordan the Arabs have never forsworn belligerency against Israel. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted May 5, 2015 Author Report Posted May 5, 2015 It is refreshing to see that there are some people in Israel who do have a conscience and a desire to find out the truth: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/05/israeli-soldiers-admit-gaza-war-atrocities-150504191146520.html They are only disclosing what the rest of the world has known for years. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Posted May 7, 2015 Netanyahu has created a coalition that is even farther to the right than his previous one. Looks like insults and bullets flying for another few years in Gaza. More settlement, more thumbing the Israeli nose at the rest of the world and more bloodshed to come. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/150507144015988.html Canada has to speak out against this. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Posted May 7, 2015 Canada speaks out by upgrading CIFTA for more trade between the two countries. That will show Israel that Canada means business ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jacee Posted May 7, 2015 Report Posted May 7, 2015 When the context is a war, casualties are what you'd expect. Except for Egypt and Jordan the Arabs have never forsworn belligerency against Israel. No jbg, thousands of Palestinian civilians including children is not what we expect when there have been very few Israeli casualties. . Quote
Hudson Jones Posted May 7, 2015 Report Posted May 7, 2015 Netanyahu has created a coalition that is even farther to the right than his previous one. Looks like insults and bullets flying for another few years in Gaza. More settlement, more thumbing the Israeli nose at the rest of the world and more bloodshed to come. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/150507144015988.html Canada has to speak out against this. Israel now has its most extreme, anti-peace government in history. That it came to power via democratic elections should give us pause. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Posted May 7, 2015 No jbg, thousands of Palestinian civilians including children is not what we expect when there have been very few Israeli casualties. . No, it is exactly what "we" expect....besides, a 15 year-old from Canada ruined it for the "children". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted May 8, 2015 Author Report Posted May 8, 2015 The Israeli people have spoken. The Gaza people have spoken. The Palestinians have spoken. I cannot see any kind of a peaceful solution for the near future. It will be interesting which countries will turn a blind eye the next time the Israeli army attacks the civilians in Gaza. I hope that Canada, perhaps under a new government, will not be one of those countries. I trust that Canadians will eventually do the right thing. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jbg Posted May 8, 2015 Report Posted May 8, 2015 The Israeli people have spoken. The Gaza people have spoken. The Palestinians have spoken. Even you admit that the Gazans and the "Palestinians" are also not seeking a constructive solution. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
marcus Posted May 8, 2015 Report Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) Even you admit that the Gazans and the "Palestinians" are also not seeking a constructive solution. There is no constructive solution and this cannot be resolved without the help of the international community. Not with a situation where people are wrongfully put in a prison and the prison guards are holding the guns and the keys. I see that you've given up pinning the ugly decades long colonialist project, created by an unnatural state and the systematic ethnic cleansing of the victims, on the victims. Now you're raising the shoulder and saying, "They're doing it too! We got no choice! We're just trying to survive man!" Due to the uncontrollable flow of information through technology, people are able to see what is happening. People are able to see the lies, like the 50/50 narrative or any other lie that comes from the Zionists. The solution is happening right now through an international movement called BDS. The movement has a conscious and it seeks justice. One of the most important and growing group in the anti-Zionist movement are Jews who live outside of Israel. Unless you abandon the ugly Zionist ideology, in a few decades, you will be sitting in a rocking chair and be looked down on like Nazi supporters and Apartheid supporters are now. Edited May 8, 2015 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Big Guy Posted May 9, 2015 Author Report Posted May 9, 2015 My position is the suggest what is best for Canada - Not what is best for Gaza or the Palestinians nor what is best for Israel. If the end result was that the Israeli's and Palestinians took each other out while keeping Canada out of it I could live with that. I also have opinions of what is "fair" and what is not "fair" but that is very subjective based on being a Canadian cafeteria Catholic. With the cementing of the current Israeli government to the far right, I believe that the chances for peace have decreased and I hope that Canada does not get caught up in that escalating possibility of a conflict leading to mutual destruction. I do not think Canada owes either the Palestinians or the Israeli's anything. Perhaps the Palestinians will soon get the bomb and the MAD principle will be the result. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Rue Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 Big Guy the more you respond the more clearly you show your true colours-you aren't talking about what is bet for Canada that is clear. Hoping Palestinians get the bomb says it all. This coming from someone who argues on another thread that if one ignores terrorists they don't attack. Now you hope they get bombs for MAD. Yes sir, your positions are so consistent and credible. Quote
GostHacked Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 Big Guy the more you respond the more clearly you show your true colours-you aren't talking about what is bet for Canada that is clear. Rue you want to come on this board and berate every little thing someone says that does not agree with you. *yawn*. Nah, Big Guy cannot be serious when he talks about what would be best for Canada. Of COURSE it is an anti-semite slam against ALL Jews and Israelis and Zionists EVERYWHERE!!! As you say 'Come on, finish what you started'. Quote
Big Guy Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Posted May 11, 2015 Sometimes you know you might be on the right track by the quality and origin of disagreement with your views. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Rue Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Right boys wishing terrorists get a nuclear weapon is an excellent way to show you care about Canada and show how credible you are. Lol. Quote
marcus Posted May 12, 2015 Report Posted May 12, 2015 Right boys wishing terrorists get a nuclear weapon is an excellent way to show you care about Canada and show how credible you are. Lol. Israel already has nuclear weapons. Lol. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Big Guy Posted May 14, 2015 Author Report Posted May 14, 2015 It is interesting that there is freedom of expression and there is freedom of expression. This has been a well discussed topic in another thread. It has come home to roost in Israel. There is a Palestinian commemoration called "Nakba Day". The details can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Day Each year on May 15, Palestinians across the world commemorate the Nakba (catastrophe), or the 1948 establishment of Israel that led to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians being displaced from their homeland. There are about 1.7 million Palestinians who carry Israeli citizenship and live in villages, towns and cities across the country. The Israeli law puts pressure on any organization attempting to commemorate that day: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/israel-nakba-palestine-150514080431980.html It has to do with funding and the intention is to keep Palestinians from voicing their views. Is it suppressive - well it certainly does not encourage Palestinian freedom of speech or encourage opposition to the government. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Keepitsimple Posted May 19, 2015 Report Posted May 19, 2015 I think if you asked most people "how many Palestinians live in Israel and have Israeli citizenship| they'd be flabbergasted to find out that they comprise 20% of the population. With that knowledge, those same uninformed people would likely be open to a new perspective - other than the one that the media hypes.... Quote Back to Basics
Big Guy Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Posted May 19, 2015 What perspective would that be? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Keepitsimple Posted May 19, 2015 Report Posted May 19, 2015 What perspective would that be? A different one....who knows what it might be.....but knowledge and facts usually get people thinking. Quote Back to Basics
Rue Posted May 19, 2015 Report Posted May 19, 2015 Big Guy you have never been to Israel. You have no clue what the legal rights and standard of living of Israeli non Jews are. Your subjective opinions are based on reading anti Israeli bites on web sites that are openly politically bias and believe Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state. You have made that clear from what you quote in past posts. You now opine on the Nakba Day as if it is some picnic that is celebrated once a year. Again you either have no clue what it CELEBRATES and what it calls for or you are trying to pass off its call to destroy Israel violently and take back Israel and openly call for war, terror and violence to do so as some harmless activity. Which one is it? To try ass off the Nakba Day as a harmless expression of freedom either suggests you are woefully ignorant of its mandate and purpose or you deliberately try misrepresent it.Which one is it because if you come on this board and try pass it off as legitimate freedom of expression then explain what would happen if I took a bunch of people walked up and down the street screaming death to Canada and urging people to engage in terrorism and war to achieve this. Finish it then.Finish explaining how calling for the violent destruction of a nation is harmless freedom of expression Quote
GostHacked Posted May 19, 2015 Report Posted May 19, 2015 What perspective would that be? 1/5th of Israel's population is Palestinian. Not sure what that means for Israel wanting to be recognized as a Jewish state. Quote
marcus Posted May 19, 2015 Report Posted May 19, 2015 Big Guy you have never been to Israel. And you have never been raped. Does that mean that you can't comment that raping is bad? Lol. Of course, I'm only assuming the above are true. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
jacee Posted May 19, 2015 Report Posted May 19, 2015 1/5th of Israel's population is Palestinian. Not sure what that means for Israel wanting to be recognized as a Jewish state. Israel controls demographics: israel-balancing-demographics-jewish-state Quote
Keepitsimple Posted May 19, 2015 Report Posted May 19, 2015 Israel controls demographics: israel-balancing-demographics-jewish-state Of course they do....otherwise they'd be flooded with refugees and immigrants from oppressed Arab nations and they would indeed be "wiped off the map" or "driven into the ocean". What do you propose in its place - or didn't you think that far ahead? Quote Back to Basics
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