Big Blue Machine Posted October 17, 2004 Report Posted October 17, 2004 We shouldn't have stopped going to the moon, the hardware was proven and was getting even better. The only reason they stopped was politics. They should have ended the Vietnam war sooner so more money could be put into NASA. Everyone lost interest sadly, when Apollo 14-17 came around, the public thought the mission were normal. How is going to the moon and landing on it normal? Apollo 15-17 had the rover and colour camera, but no one was watching. Colour television from the moon took only a few moments of their time, nothing more. Some of the people said it costed too much. 25 billion at the end of the Apollo program, and look what it did. It sent 24 astrouants to the moon, and half as many walked on it's surface. We got half a ton of moon rock and soil. We made discoveries on the moon, that excitied the scientists. I think 25 billion is a mdoest price. The real reason wasn't to claim it, or conquer it, or simply beat the Russians to it. We went to the moon to see if we could make the journey. If we can do that, if we can voyage from the earth to the moon, then there's hope for all of us, because we can do anything. I think man should go back to the moon. Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
kimmy Posted October 17, 2004 Report Posted October 17, 2004 Not to sound flippant, but "been there, done that." It's very expensive to go to the moon, and until there's a good reason to go back there, I think the money spent on space could be better spent on other projects (like the international space station, exploring Mars, or putting up a more sophisticated replacement for the Hubble Telescope (which I believe is soon going to be out of service, isn't it?)) It's a big universe! Going to the moon was an amazing achievement, but unless there's more to be learned by going back there, mankind should aim for a new target. -kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
Guest eureka Posted October 18, 2004 Report Posted October 18, 2004 I do not see too much point in "going to the moon" at this time. We are in no position to do anything there and, as Kimmy suggests, there are far more interesting possibilities. Quote
Slavik44 Posted October 18, 2004 Report Posted October 18, 2004 no need to go to the moon, infact no reason to send man to Mars either we have Machines to do that, sending man to the moon is for all intents and purposes for pure ego. you said it yourself it proved we can do anything (ego), but you know what it didn't. If you want to proove that Humankind can do anything, end war, teach enron truthfull acounting, stop poverty. Landing on the moon seems monumental and it was a huge accomplishment but what it prooved is that man can land on the moon, and it really isn't made of cheese. Now if you can keep missiles from landing on the moon then maybe we can talk about accomplishments. Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
Newfie Canadian Posted October 18, 2004 Report Posted October 18, 2004 If you believe we (mankind) put a man on the moon. It's the next logical step isn't it? Quote "If you don't believe your country should come before yourself, you can better serve your country by livin' someplace else." Stompin' Tom Connors
Big Blue Machine Posted October 23, 2004 Author Report Posted October 23, 2004 We should put a man on mars in the next 20 years. It should be an international effort. Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
Slavik44 Posted October 23, 2004 Report Posted October 23, 2004 We should put a man on mars in the next 20 years. It should be an international effort. why? Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
Big Blue Machine Posted October 23, 2004 Author Report Posted October 23, 2004 Because it would cost too much for one country to do it alone. Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
Slavik44 Posted October 24, 2004 Report Posted October 24, 2004 Because it would cost too much for one country to do it alone. no, why should we go to mars? Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
Bushmustgo Posted October 25, 2004 Report Posted October 25, 2004 I was going to do the "Uranus" joke but, that would be imature...though funny! Didn't Bush talk about going to the moon and Mars again right after all hell broke loose in Iraq and no WMD were being found...a good distraction from the real issues. I don't see any reason to spend so much money in going back to the moon and besides, with record deficits under Bush, we Americans can't even come close to affording that right now, i.e., tax cuts, Iraqi war, miscalculation by $133 Billion in Healthcare, etc. This president's incompetencies will hurt all around! Quote
Hugo Posted October 25, 2004 Report Posted October 25, 2004 If you want to go back to the moon, what you have to do is really simple. Start a company with the goal of sending a man to the moon, and solicit for investors and even donations. Whoever is interested in such a project can put their money where their mouth is. Your investments will represent the true level of interest that exists for another lunar landing. But please, don't assume that everybody else feels that returning to the moon is a great idea (evidently they don't, judging by the response you've had) and propose to expropriate their hard-earned money from them against their will to pay for such a project. Quote
August1991 Posted October 25, 2004 Report Posted October 25, 2004 There are about 800 million "rich" people in the world. (US, Europe, Japan and so on. Family income is above 40,000$/year.) If we take about $100 from each person in this group (about the cost of a day at Disney World) we would have about $80 billion. I have seen this amount as an estimated cost of a trip to Mars. I think these people would be willing to sacrifice a day at Disney World to watch a guy/woman walk on Mars. [incidentally, the Left has bandied about the number $200 billion for Bush's adventure in Iraq. It is greatly exaggerated because wherever the troops are, they still cost money.] Quote
theloniusfleabag Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 If you want to proove that Humankind can do anything, end war, teach enron truthfull acounting, stop poverty.Slavik44, there is a good song about this from the 60's, called "Whitey's on the Moon" from beat-poet Gil Scott Heron.A trip to the moon WAS unimaginable, and to do it WAS astounding. Even a man on Mars is no longer unbelievable, just costly. As Hugo implies, perhaps another Ansari-X prize might justify such a venture, but it cannot be justified out of my (a taxpayer) pocket. Quote Would the Special Olympics Committee disqualify kids born with flippers from the swimming events?
Black Dog Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 Plus ca change, plus c'est la même chose... A rat done bit my sister Nell. (with Whitey on the moon) Her face and arms began to swell. (and Whitey's on the moon) I can't pay no doctor bill. (but Whitey's on the moon) Ten years from now I'll be payin' still. (while Whitey's on the moon) The man jus' upped my rent las' night. ('cause Whitey's on the moon) No hot water, no toilets, no lights. (but Whitey's on the moon) I wonder why he's uppi' me? ('cause Whitey's on the moon?) I wuz already payin' 'im fifty a week. (with Whitey on the moon) Taxes takin' my whole damn check, Junkies makin' me a nervous wreck, The price of food is goin' up, An' as if all that shit wuzn't enough: A rat done bit my sister Nell. (with Whitey on the moon) Her face an' arm began to swell. (but Whitey's on the moon) Was all that money I made las' year (for Whitey on the moon?) How come there ain't no money here? (Hmm! Whitey's on the moon) Y'know I jus' 'bout had my fill (of Whitey on the moon) I think I'll sen' these doctor bills, Airmail special (to Whitey on the moon) Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
kimmy Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 Shoals of dead fish float on the lakes,But Uncle Sam's on Mars And science is making the same mistakes, But Uncle Sam's on Mars No one down here knows how to work the brakes, but Uncle Sam's on Mars Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, He's on Mars Layers of smoke in the atmosphere Have made the earth too hot to bear The Earth might be a desert soon, America has left the Moon Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, He's on Mars He's digging for dreams in the red sand He's got his bucket and spade in his left hand He's digging for dreams He's looking for life What's he doing out there? He's looking for life Looking for life There may be life out there (Nixon to Armstrong - July 21st 1969): "I'm talking to you by telephone from the Oval Room in the White House. And this certainly must be the most exciting telephone call ever made here on Earth. I just can't tell you how proud we all are. For every American this has to be the proudest day of their lives. And for people all over the world, I'm sure they too join with us in recognising what a tremendous achievement this is. For one priceless moment in the whole history of Man......" MacDonalds Hamburger Construction works And he's looking for life Looking for life to wind up He's looking for life to stamp out He's looking for life to grind out He's looking for life, so mind out I hope you brought your credit card with you, and I hope you know how to drive on these long, lonely freeways and intersections we've got up here. We've got two cars in the garage, two cars in the garage, and drum-majorettes in white ankle socks and baton twirling on Sundays. We've got stripes and the stars, And Uncle Sam's on, Uncle Sam's on, Uncle Sam's on Mars.... Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
Big Blue Machine Posted October 26, 2004 Author Report Posted October 26, 2004 We should go to Mars, because discover more about the planet. We should do it first hand, not from robots. Besides, it's creates jobs, we find out sceince stuff and we go to a real planet. We have to discover. The cost is worth it. We can use the space station as a spaceport for ships going to the moon or to mars. "For this I am sure, that man has learned that space in his to explore, and man will continue explore, to the moon and beyond" Dr. George Low, Deputy NASA adminstrator. Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
Guest eureka Posted October 27, 2004 Report Posted October 27, 2004 Some men thought like Dr. Low when they tries to build the Tower of Babel. Quote
Slavik44 Posted October 27, 2004 Report Posted October 27, 2004 We should go to Mars, because discover more about the planet. We should do it first hand, not from robots. Besides, it's creates jobs, we find out sceince stuff and we go to a real planet. We have to discover. The cost is worth it. We can use the space station as a spaceport for ships going to the moon or to mars. "For this I am sure, that man has learned that space in his to explore, and man will continue explore, to the moon and beyond" Dr. George Low, Deputy NASA adminstrator. could you please provide factual documentation that states a human on mars can benifiet us more then a robot on Mars. Next would you please put a price on human life? Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
ceemes Posted October 27, 2004 Report Posted October 27, 2004 Two benefits most of us enjoy because of the race to the moon......microcomputers and teflon........there are many others too. Quote
Big Blue Machine Posted October 27, 2004 Author Report Posted October 27, 2004 If we go, we will find out much information about Mars. We can send something better than a robot, the best trained eyes in the world, a human. We went to the moon, we can go to Mars. Getting to the moon is just as hard as going to Mars. By the way, do you people think that the moon landings were faked? Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
Slavik44 Posted October 28, 2004 Report Posted October 28, 2004 If we go, we will find out much information about Mars. We can send something better than a robot, the best trained eyes in the world, a human. We went to the moon, we can go to Mars. Getting to the moon is just as hard as going to Mars. By the way, do you people think that the moon landings were faked? I didn't say it was impossible to go to Mars, I said it was pointless to send man to mars. You have still failed to proove that a human on Mars means more information then a robot, you ahve also failed to put a price on human life. this isn't about wether or not we can it is about wether or not we are justfied in doing so with the problems still on earth. America can blow up the world two times over, it doesn't mean they should. Being able to do soemthign doesn't mean you have the right to do it, or that doing it is right. No I do not believe the moon landing was faked, I am sure man landed on the moon. You have also added a third to my lsit of required answers, i want documented proof that putting man on Mars is JUST as hard or as easy as putting man on the moon. Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
Big Blue Machine Posted October 29, 2004 Author Report Posted October 29, 2004 "The exploration of space is well worth the risk of human life" Gus Grissom said that just before he died in the Apollo 1 Wouldn't it be gr eat like we sent men to mars?. Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
Stoker Posted October 30, 2004 Report Posted October 30, 2004 Big Blue, I tend to agree with you, in that exploration will lead to progress for mankind, but as of now we have more prorites back here on earth. With that said, I've no doubt in my mind that as the Bamboo curtain solidifies in the coming decades, we will see Chinese and American nationlism spark another space race. We can't have the ChiComms make it to the Red planet first now can we Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
Big Blue Machine Posted October 30, 2004 Author Report Posted October 30, 2004 Maybe some of the problems we sort out on the way to Mars can be used for ssolving the problems on Earth. America should give more money to NASA. If we get at least 1% of the America's GDP, NASA would have ample funds. Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
Slavik44 Posted October 30, 2004 Report Posted October 30, 2004 "The exploration of space is well worth the risk of human life" Gus Grissom said that just before he died in the Apollo 1Wouldn't it be gr eat like we sent men to mars?. Well, perhaps the people don't mind dieing when they are in space but what about the 20,000 people who died in Canadian hospitals due to carelessness? They are not in space, is the exploration of space worth it to them? If you were one of those 20,000 would it be worth it to you? Personally there is no reason to send a Man to Mars, and endanger his life, other then for pure Ego, I don't support that. I belive sending man to mars not only endangers the people we send to Mars, but also the people here on earth that could have used a chunk of the 80 billion. I am not prepared to support that with out being given a good reason to do so, and my ego is big enough so I am not concerned about that but I am flattered that people want to spend 80 billion dollars to boost it. Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
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