overthere Posted August 21, 2014 Report Posted August 21, 2014 I wonder what the quality of life of Canadians would be if everyone could retire at 55. Observe what is happening in France for instruction on that. IMO, their economy is on the verge of collapse. There are no jobs for young people. By luck or design, their series of worthless leaders has a convenient scapegoat to blame: brown people. The actual reason is ruinous economic policy, incldung restricted work hours, early retirement, ridiculously fat compensation/benefits for public servants etc etc etc. I have had three family members from France stay with me in the last three years[all around 30}, starting new lives. All are well educated, energetic and without a future in France because they simply cannot find work. It's an example for Canada, and one we can avoid if we so choose. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
GostHacked Posted August 21, 2014 Report Posted August 21, 2014 Montreal could be the next Detroit? Public service members are fighting for pensions. Quote
Boges Posted August 21, 2014 Author Report Posted August 21, 2014 Montreal could be the next Detroit? Public service members are fighting for pensions. They have pensions. They are just asking to contribute more to them. Quote
guyser Posted August 21, 2014 Report Posted August 21, 2014 Montreal could be the next Detroit? Public service members are fighting for pensions. No, they arent that stupid . Takes a whole new level of stupidity to emmulate Detriot. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 21, 2014 Report Posted August 21, 2014 They have pensions. They are just asking to contribute more to them. This is to shore up the pensions. The city cannot contribute to them as they have in the past, so they are asking them to pony up. Why else would they ask them to contribute more? Quote
GostHacked Posted August 21, 2014 Report Posted August 21, 2014 No, they arent that stupid . Takes a whole new level of stupidity to emmulate Detriot. The corruption charges on the two previous Mayors may be contributing to the city asking the firefighters to contribute more. That might be a parallel with Detroit, mismanagement of public funds. This is going to be an issue across the board in a couple more years. Cities are going to go bankrupt and won't be able to pay out. It also depends on how the city invested the pension money. Bad stocks, manipulation on the market, other wild cards. It's not looking good for pensions going forward. Quote
guyser Posted August 21, 2014 Report Posted August 21, 2014 The corruption charges on the two previous Mayors may be contributing to the city asking the firefighters to contribute more. That might be a parallel with Detroit, mismanagement of public funds. This is going to be an issue across the board in a couple more years. Cities are going to go bankrupt and won't be able to pay out. It also depends on how the city invested the pension money. Bad stocks, manipulation on the market, other wild cards. It's not looking good for pensions going forward. While all true, sanity will prevail in almost all CDN cities to ward off bankruptcy et al. There are so many factors in Detroit that will never (in our lifetime) come to fruition here that the comparison is not apt. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 21, 2014 Report Posted August 21, 2014 While all true, sanity will prevail in almost all CDN cities to ward off bankruptcy et al. I don't put much faith in that. There are so many factors in Detroit that will never (in our lifetime) come to fruition here that the comparison is not apt. I think that notion will be proven wrong in a couple years. Quote
guyser Posted August 21, 2014 Report Posted August 21, 2014 I don't put much faith in that.Fair enough, but if you look at the fiscal records of all similar size cities in CDA you will find none of them are in any peril I think that notion will be proven wrong in a couple years.The facts/reasons for Detroits decline took ages to happen, starting with the middle class flight from inside the city (which in Canada the opposite is true, more people move into than out of inner cities)to outrageous pensions schemes and payouts and how those were funded (read-Detroits werent)...to outright criminal operatives posing as Mayor and so on. A couple of years? Absolutely not, a couple of decades is a stretch at best Quote
Argus Posted August 21, 2014 Report Posted August 21, 2014 Form of protest, happens all the time in this country I don't have a huge problem with their stupid looking pants. I do have a HUGE problem with them just waving the firefighters through and letting them trash things. Every cop on that porch should be fired immediately. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 21, 2014 Report Posted August 21, 2014 Like I said, I think the public should be following their example. I fail to see why everyone shouldn't be entitled to a comfortable old age. Because there isn't enough money for it. And there's the idea of person X studying hard, getting an education, working hard to pay it off, working hard to get ahead, and then being taxed to pay for person Y's 'comfortable' retirement because person Y dropped out of school early and never had much inclination to work at anything. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 21, 2014 Report Posted August 21, 2014 Nope, I believe in relative parity in terms of income and especially retirement for Canadians. Communism doesn't work. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
guyser Posted August 21, 2014 Report Posted August 21, 2014 Every cop on that porch should be fired immediately.I wouldnt mind then suffering a penalty, 1 week no pay or some such, but outright firing when they pretty much know the firemen arent going to go ballastic (and they are two peas in a pod mostly)inside is a too much a penalty. Quote
Argus Posted August 21, 2014 Report Posted August 21, 2014 I wouldnt mind then suffering a penalty, 1 week no pay or some such, but outright firing when they pretty much know the firemen arent going to go ballastic (and they are two peas in a pod mostly)inside is a too much a penalty. Ultimately, all the authority of a state rests on those who enforce that authority. If those who enforce the authority of the state believe themselves immune to it, and also that they can refuse to enforce the authority of the state any time they don't feel like it, you're on the downslope to chaos. The police deciding to let a mob attack the mayor and council because they were mad about the same thing is about as bad as it gets in those terms. It's one thing for firefighters or tax employees or roads workers or garbage men to rebel against a government, but we absolutely cannot afford to let police do the same. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted August 22, 2014 Report Posted August 22, 2014 Because there isn't enough money for it. And there's the idea of person X studying hard, getting an education, working hard to pay it off, working hard to get ahead, and then being taxed to pay for person Y's 'comfortable' retirement because person Y dropped out of school early and never had much inclination to work at anything.I think there would have been lots of money had the government not tilted so many playing fields in the direction of the rich. So....I say screw the rich and screw Canadians too for standing by and allowing governments to feed the rich. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Boges Posted August 22, 2014 Author Report Posted August 22, 2014 I think there would have been lots of money had the government not tilted so many playing fields in the direction of the rich. So....I say screw the rich and screw Canadians too for standing by and allowing governments to feed the rich. The Rich pay a lot of taxes in Canada. Quote
eyeball Posted August 22, 2014 Report Posted August 22, 2014 They should be paying all of them given how much opportunity is steered in their direction. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Boges Posted August 22, 2014 Author Report Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) They should be paying all of them given how much opportunity is steered in their direction. So Communism. Edited August 22, 2014 by Boges Quote
eyeball Posted August 22, 2014 Report Posted August 22, 2014 Communism is about feeding the rich? Go figure. I guess that's all political power is good for. Oh well, screw the communists too if that's the case. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Hal 9000 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) Public servants with defined pension plans aren't exactly oppressed peoples. There's also a huge amount of irony having people who are tasked with public safety starting an angry mob. Was this intended to be funny? I haven't belly rolled like this in a long time - thanks for that! Edited August 22, 2014 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Boges Posted August 22, 2014 Author Report Posted August 22, 2014 Was this intended to be funny? I haven't belly rolled like this in a long time - thanks for that! If it was in a mocking tone, then no, no it wasn't. If you enjoyed my comparison then. YES! yes it was. Quote
Argus Posted August 22, 2014 Report Posted August 22, 2014 I think there would have been lots of money had the government not tilted so many playing fields in the direction of the rich. So....I say screw the rich and screw Canadians too for standing by and allowing governments to feed the rich. Except the rich aren't being screwed. The rich have the lawyers and accountants and foreign bank accounts to make sure they don't pay much in the way of taxes. And the politicians won't go near them. So instead they tax the upper middle class and call them "rich". Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 22, 2014 Report Posted August 22, 2014 The Rich pay a lot of taxes in Canada. They pay a lot less than they used to. And corporate taxes have plunged even more. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 Except the rich aren't being screwed. Not yet. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
danchessplayer Posted September 4, 2014 Report Posted September 4, 2014 Firefighters do get paid quite a bit, though Quote
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