Ferguson unrest

AngusThermopyle · November 28, 2014

This is an interesting read. Apparently it was posted on the online version of the Ferguson paper but deleted shortly after. Is it legit? Couldn't tell you. As I said though, an interesting read.

My Name is William G. Lillas....
I wanted to clear up a few black and white questions and answers. The things I state are facts. They are not downloaded from some media website, not propaganda, just observations from a 83 year old black man, born in America:
"I was told by my parents (yes, a married man and woman with my last name), that I was n*****. We lived in “N***** Town” in a small Texas town, no A/C, grass growing through the floor, no car, no TV. We washed our bodies with lye soap that my mother made, by hand. I thought I was a n*****, until I graduated high school, went to college, did an enlistment in the Army, and got a job. I am now retired, own my own home, have 6 children by ONE WOMAN, and we all have the same last name. I have a Bachelor’s Degree in Liberal Arts, a Master’s Degree in Sociology. My retirement, VA disability from combat in the Korean War (I only have one leg), and part-time pay in a local college, is about $125,000 a year. From dirt poor n*****, to old, black, proud American.
Yes, I am black, and I can say “n*****”, because I understand the true meaning of the word.
Let’s clear up a few things about the Michael Brown incident.
-Fact: It is not called "shoplifting or stealing", it's called "robbery", which is a felony. Brown stole something and assaulted someone, that means ROBBERY. It’s on video, and it’s a fact. Not shoplifting, not theft, not “lifting” a few cigars, but ROBBERY!
-Michael Brown, like Trayvon, was portrayed by the media as a “little black boy”, cute little headphones, and his cap and gown photo, gunned down by a ruthless police assassin, executed by “whitey”. First, I have never seen a cop drag a person into their car’s driver door to arrest them. So, let us be clear, Michael Brown was a n*****; a sorry assed, criminal, hoodlum, n*****. Nobody wants to say that, but I will. He had a criminal record a mile long, was known for numerous assaults, robberies, including the one you saw with your own eyes, and still refuse to call it a robbery. He was, like so many others, living a life that he thought he was “entitled” to, just for being alive. Gangsta rap, weed, drinking, guns, and those stupid-assed low profile rims, makes him some kind of bad-ass n*****.
-I have fought communist Chinese and North Korean soldiers in the 1950’s with more honor than that n*****. Yep, I peeled potatoes and shot communists. That’s the only job a n***** soldier could get.
Rodney King? Black Riots!
Trayvon? Black Riots!
-Hurricane Katrina? Black Riots! Stealing TV’s, designer clothes, etc.
-O.J. Simpson kills white man and white woman, found NOT GUILTY? Did white folks riot? Nope!
-In fact, when is the last time white people rioted? Civil War, maybe? That’s because they are, relatively, civilized people, much like many black Americans. Protesting is one thing, hell, I’m all for it. Even if you are an ignorant idiot, you have a right to protest.
-Stop only showing the young black "cap and gown" photos of Michael. Charles Manson may have a few of those laying around, as well. Show the n***** "gangsta" photos of the "poor unarmed teenager" (grown man) pics that have been removed from his Facebook page, holding the loaded pistol, smoking weed, with a mouthful of money.
-Militarization? The stupid-assed media that publicizes this has no idea what “militarization” really is. Cops wear helmets and vests, and drive armored vehicle because unemployed n*****s thrown bricks at them, moron! You put on an "Adam 12" uniform and walk down the streets of Ferguson during the criminal riots. I can guarantee that you'll jump into the first armored "military tank" that you see.
-You only "want the police" when you "need the police", otherwise, you mock and fear what you do not understand about the police. And by the way, the police are trained to take your shit, but I wouldn’t fuck around with those Army National Guard, they aren’t as well disciplined “culturally” to take your shit like police do every day. They will ventilate your black asses with M-16s, with military precision and extreme prejudice.
-And finally, the way we protest and demand justice, is run down the streets breaking shit, looting stores, and acting like a bunch of untrained monkeys? Hell, after Rodney King, criminal n*****s were actually killing people, thinking they were entitled to be worse criminals than they already were. For those black criminals that do that, you are a disgrace to your race, inflamed by idiots like Al Sharpton, instead of listening to logic from proud black Americans, like Bill Cosby, Samuel Jackson, Colin Powell, Allen West, me, etc.
-You blame white people for your ignorance, criminal acts, unemployed laziness, etc.
-You blame white people for 89% of the prisons in America being full of blacks. They did nothing wrong, the racists white cops framed them all, right? No chance at school, no chance for college, military, employment?
BULL SHIT!
-More n*****s kill n*****s, than n*****s killing whites, whites killing n*****s, and whites killing whites….COMBINED. I find this astounding.
-It's not white peoples' faults, the Emancipation Proclamation was signed by a white man years ago. You can go to school, get a job, buy a house, and vote, JUST LIKE WHITE FOLKS!!!! You are not a slave, you are not discriminated against! Slavery is abolished, and nobody alive today, was alive when it was popular. Get over it! You are discriminated against because you are a criminal, sorry-assed n*****. Otherwise, black Americans are treated like everyone else.
-If you choose to create "baby daddy and baby mama", and fake disabilities as an excuse for laziness to draw social security disability…… instead of husband, wife, family, job, mortgage, it's YOUR FAULT, not white folks. And there are a lot of proud black Americans that will tell you the same, as I AM ONE OF THEM!!!
-Remember, the way you act on the camera, is remembered by everyone who sees it. They will never forget it. It shows them how you, as the black race, respond to situations that don’t particularly go the way you think they should. It will become a reference standard, something they expect from you when the next media report doesn’t go your way. Stop being stupid n*****s, and be a proud black American. My parents raised me well, but they were wrong about one thing, I am not a n*****.
I will not be around long. While my mind is still sharp, and my aim is still good, my body is eating away with cancer. It started in the prostate, and is spreading rapidly. After I die, I have asked my children to publish my writings, and include my name. Although I am not expecting any miracles, I can only hope that Americans will stop blaming color, start blaming criminals, and see people for what the y really are. We have too many countries that want us dead. We should not be fighting each other.
"William G. Lillas"

So, have at it folks. Food for discussion and some knickers twisted in knots here.

Sorry about the extra quotes here, just a simple error.

Edited November 28, 2014 by AngusThermopyle

Argus · November 28, 2014

Who was the comment "these people" aimed at do you think?

Not you?

Argus · November 28, 2014

This is an interesting read. Apparently it was posted on the online version of the Ferguson paper but deleted shortly after. Is it legit? Couldn't tell you. As I said though, an interesting read.

This sounds like a variation of an old Chris Rock routine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tkZuLixZOk

Black Dog · November 28, 2014

You know what pisses me off? Is that every time a white cop shoots a black teen everyone acts like the kid or thug did nothing wrong at all. Like the cop simply saw a black kid, pulled out his service pistol and blew him away which is absurd.

Except sometimes that's exactly what happened. Like the kid who was shot in Wal Mart around the same time as the Brown shooting. Or the 12 year old in Cleveland who was gunned down by cops this week without the slightest warning for holding a toy gun. The list goes on.

I'm far from a lover of the police and have had more than my share of run ins with them but still...What's more is that 80% of the homicides are black on black shootings. What is the black community doing about that? Seems like nothing except blowing a lot of hot air.

So your position is that it's up to the black community alone to solve the issues of poverty and class and race that crime is largely bound up in?

Maybe instead of blaming everyone else for the problems with the black community they should look inwards at themselves and ask themselves what are they doing to make their community stronger.

This ignorant, condescending and racist shit is all too common on this subject. I doubt you have any clue about what efforts exist in black communities to counter crime and poverty. But rather than acknowledge that ignorance, you assume they are doing nothing at all.

Keepitsimple · November 28, 2014

I was led astray by media reports - all I read were stories of an 18 year old black kid......only near the end of the trial did I hear that he was six feet four and weighed nearly 300 pounds and was wrestling to get the officer's gun. Very different picture than some white guy shooting down a black teenager for no reason.

Black Dog · November 28, 2014

This is an interesting read. Apparently it was posted on the online version of the Ferguson paper but deleted shortly after. Is it legit? Couldn't tell you. As I said though, an interesting read.

It's fake. It was originally one of those e-mail forwards of dubious origin from a "dying 70 year old veteran" (since corrected to 83 when someone realized that a 70 year old would have been too young to fight in Korea). Given the content, I guarantee a white person wrote it.

Edited November 28, 2014 by Black Dog

GostHacked · November 28, 2014

So this tactic by authorities to make this about race is in fact working out as it is being talked about to no end here in this thread. People are buying into it too.

My question now is, where do we go from here?

Keepitsimple · November 28, 2014

There are some horrible statistics out there. To put these in perspective to Police killings - the best stat that I could find indicated that police kill just less than 100 black Americans each year - about 17% of the total Police killings. An undeniable conclusion - a vast majority of the time, Black people kill Black people - and it's hard to find racism in that fact.

National Data

According to the FBI SHR data, in 2009 there were 6,505 black homicide

victims in the United States. The homicide rate among black victims in the United

States was 17.90 per 100,000. For that year, the overall national homicide rate was

4.76 per 100,000. For whites, the national homicide rate was 2.92 per 100,000.

Additional information contained in the FBI SHR data on black homicide includes the

following.

Gender

Of the 6,505 black homicide victims, 5,576 (86 percent) were male, and 928

(14 percent) were female. In one case, the gender of the victim was unknown. The

homicide rate for black male victims was 32.14 per 100,000. In comparison, the

overall rate for male homicide victims was 7.57 per 100,000. For white male

homicide victims it was 4.26 per 100,000. The homicide rate for female black victims

was 4.89 per 100,000. In comparison, the overall rate for female homicide victims

was 2.01 per 100,000. For white female homicide victims it was 1.61 per 100,000.

Age

Five hundred sixty-one black homicide victims (9 percent) were less than 18

years old and 129 black homicide victims (2 percent) were 65 years of age or older.

The average age was 30 years old.

Most Common Weapons

For homicides in which the weapon used could be identified, 82 percent of black

victims (5,065 out of 6,156) were shot and killed with guns. Of these, 74 percent

(3,723 victims) were killed with handguns. There were 587 victims killed with knives

or other cutting instruments, 238 victims killed by bodily force, and 170 victims killed

by a blunt object.

Victim/Offender Relationship

For homicides in which the victim to offender relationship could be identified,

72 percent of black victims (2,271 out of 3,134) were murdered by someone they

knew. Eight hundred sixty-three victims were killed by strangers.

Circumstance

For homicides in which the circumstances could be identified, 71 percent (2,812

out of 3,937) were not related to the commission of any other felony. Of these, 54

3

percent (1,524 homicides) involved arguments between the victim and the offender.

Thirteen percent (355 homicides) were reported to be gang-related. Forty-nine percent

of gang-related homicides (175 homicides) were in California, which may be in part

due to more comprehensive reporting. In California, 60 percent of non-felony related

homicides were reported to be gang-related.

Link: http://www.vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide12.pdf

Edited November 28, 2014 by Keepitsimple

On Guard for Thee · November 28, 2014

tTe good people of Ferguson didn't decide anything. The GT is representative of the county as required by law, are you saying that they should have broken the law convening a different jury made up of people only from Ferguson?

I was replying to another post in case you missed the gist.

bush_cheney2004 · November 28, 2014

There are some horrible statistics out there. To put these in perspective to Police killings - the best stat that I could find indicated that police kill just less than 100 black Americans each year - about 17% of the total Police killings. An undeniable conclusion - a vast majority of the time, Black people kill Black people - and it's hard to find racism in that fact.

Yep....so where are the protests....where are the riots....where are the bleeding heart MLW threads....for this inescapable fact and condition ? Black males are far more likely to be shot by another "black" male than a police officer.

For the 500 Chicago homicides in 2012:

Bonam · November 28, 2014

Yep....so where are the protests....where are the riots....where are the bleeding heart MLW threads....for this inescapable fact and condition ? Black males are far more likely to be shot by another "black" male than a police officer.

Don't you know? It's all still whitey's fault.

bush_cheney2004 · November 28, 2014

Don't you know? It's all still whitey's fault.

Oh yeah..."whitey" makes and sells the guns/bullets ! :lol:

Black Dog · November 28, 2014

Yep....so where are the protests....where are the riots....where are the bleeding heart MLW threads....for this inescapable fact and condition ? Black males are far more likely to be shot by another "black" male than a police officer.

Yeah why aren't leaders like Al Sharpton or the Obamas speaking out on this issue? :rolleyes:

Another fun fact: white people are far more likely to be killed by a white person. Why is no one talking about white on white crime?

Black Dog · November 28, 2014

Don't you know? It's all still whitey's fault.

Oh hey look who's back after pulling the chute!

On Guard for Thee · November 28, 2014

Yep....so where are the protests....where are the riots....where are the bleeding heart MLW threads....for this inescapable fact and condition ? Black males are far more likely to be shot by another "black" male than a police officer.

For the 500 Chicago homicides in 2012:

Call me a bleeding heart I guess but I thought cops were supposed to be held to a higher standard.

November 28, 2014

That's the thing about cops. They are often held to a completely unreasonable standard. I have no idea what I would do if a 300 pound man was coming towards me and there was a reasonable chance he wanted to do me harm. Same with a 12 year old holding a gun. A real one, as far as I'm concerned. I'd probably shoot in both cases, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect a police office to risk their lives unduly doing anything different.

I probably wouldn't have killed that Polish guy at Vancouver airport though.

Edited November 28, 2014 by bcsapper

Argus · November 28, 2014

I was led astray by media reports - all I read were stories of an 18 year old black kid......only near the end of the trial did I hear that he was six feet four and weighed nearly 300 pounds and was wrestling to get the officer's gun. Very different picture than some white guy shooting down a black teenager for no reason.

Meanwhile, the allegations fly about Michael Brown's past, including that he had gang associates and was investigated, possibly charged for murder when he was a juvenile.

http://www.youngcons.com/explosive-new-lawsuit-filed-in-st-louis-claims-michael-brown-was-a-suspect-for-second-degree/

bush_cheney2004 · November 28, 2014

That's the thing about cops. They are often held to a completely unreasonable standard. I have no idea what I would do if a 300 pound man was coming towards me and there was a reasonable chance he wanted to do me harm. Same with a 12 year old holding a gun. A real one, as far as I'm concerned. I'd probably shoot in both cases, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect a police office to risk their lives unduly doing anything different.

Police officers have the right to return home each night after being trained and paid by cities to place themselves at great risk. Violent perps do not enjoy such favourable expectations. Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

On Guard for Thee · November 28, 2014

That's the thing about cops. They are often held to a completely unreasonable standard. I have no idea what I would do if a 300 pound man was coming towards me and there was a reasonable chance he wanted to do me harm. Same with a 12 year old holding a gun. A real one, as far as I'm concerned. I'd probably shoot in both cases, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect a police office to risk their lives unduly doing anything different.

I probably wouldn't have killed that Polish guy at Vancouver airport though.

The YVR incident is one serious example and they all got away with it. At least the kid who was shot in the street car in TO did eventually result in a murder charge, but that likely only because of all the camera coverage. There seems to me to be a lot of discrepancy's in the Ferguson GJ process. Had it of gone to trial actual proof could have been able to surface. There is a video that I've seen but can't find just now of the 12 year old with the toy gun. It took a very few seconds from the time the cops left their vehicle until fatal shots fired. I understand cops have a tough job that I wouldn't want but it seems there are some among those ranks who like the people Plato spoke of when he said that those who seek power are often unsuited to wield it.

guyser · November 28, 2014

There is a video that I've seen but can't find just now of the 12 year old with the toy gun. It took a very few seconds from the time the cops left their vehicle until fatal shots fired.

If the people want to protest stupid cops, the shooting of the 12 yr old is the one to target.

Idiot cops in that one, and frankly I hope they get a beat down one day from the public. They rolled right up on the kid and shot him.

No need

No brains

But hey, the cops went home at night. So ya know, thats good.

Edited November 28, 2014 by Guyser2

bush_cheney2004 · November 28, 2014

Those who assault and/or threaten a cop often get shot...for being stupid.

On Guard for Thee · November 28, 2014

I'd respond but I was asked not to feed the troll.

eyeball · November 28, 2014

I was led astray by media reports - all I read were stories of an 18 year old black kid......only near the end of the trial did I hear that he was six feet four and weighed nearly 300 pounds and was wrestling to get the officer's gun. Very different picture than some white guy shooting down a black teenager for no reason.

A police body camera in this case might have defused a lot of the emotional reaction to the event and the media's treatment of it early on.

Better transparency and accountability would be in everyone's interest.

guyser · November 28, 2014

Better transparency and accountability would be in everyone's interest.

Except the cops. They would expose the thin blue line for what it really is.

eyeball · November 28, 2014

Those who assault and/or threaten a cop often get shot...for being stupid.

They're often also shot for being mentally ill - point being there is little excuse for not training police to better assess and react to situations before blasting away.