Ferguson unrest

Shady · March 8, 2015

He just asked for forensic evidence to prove a societal theory.......was that on purpose?

Not at all. I'm not talking about societal theory. I'm talking about this particular incident involving Brown and Wilson. Nothing else.

On Guard for Thee · March 8, 2015

Yep, I have. Hand up, don't shoot didn't happen. Officer Wilson is vindicated. You're ridiculous petition reference went no where. The federal investigation backs up everything from the grand jury. It's time for you to move on. This particular case is a goner.

No apparently you havent, so here you go. Try to keep up eh.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/politics/document-justice-department-ferguson-police/

Shady · March 8, 2015

No apparently you havent, so here you go. Try to keep up eh.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/politics/document-justice-department-ferguson-police/

Once again, you're talking about a bigger issue. I'm specifically citing the Wilson/Brown incident. Wilson was vindicated by the federal investigation. Hence, no charges against him. Hence, them saying that hands up don't shoot is an alternate version of reality. That's a quote from the Attorney General.

On Guard for Thee · March 8, 2015

Once again, you're talking about a bigger issue. I'm specifically citing the Wilson/Brown incident. Wilson was vindicated by the federal investigation. Hence, no charges against him. Hence, them saying that hands up don't shoot is an alternate version of reality. That's a quote from the Attorney General.

Thats right, the bigger issue. The D of J finds the Ferguson PD is rife with racism. Not being able to find enough evidence to charge one of their white cops in the shooting of a unarmed black teenager is probably more his good luck than any vindication.

Argus · March 8, 2015

Do you comprehend multivariate statistics? Tons of studies looking at race crime poverty inequality and policing interactions.

http://m.phys.org/news/2013-08-cities-high-racial-economic-inequality.html

Here's one ...

Oddsson and his colleagues examined data from 64 American cities with populations of more than 250,000. They found evidence that cities tend to increase the size of their police force when high levels of poverty exist along with greater economic inequality between racial groups. When levels of racial and economic inequality are low or when levels of poverty are low, cities do not increase their police forces as much as metropolitan areas where citizens perceive greater threats resulting from a combination of large inequalities and severe poverty.

The problem with these sorts of studies is they're not based on hard science but on guestimates. There is also so much cause and effect, so much interaction among variables, that it's often impossible to pinpoint a particular cause or factor involved. The above quote, for example, completely ignores the word 'crime', as in cities increase their police forces when there is more crime. It might well be that a city which was all white had much less crime, and so had less need of a police force, and this would be unrelated to racism aside from the statistical fact that minorities, blacks and hispanics anyway, commit crime disproportionate to their numbers.

Or, for that matter, a city which didn't have economic inequality would, let's face reality here, be a poor city. Poor cities often don't have the resources to increase the size of their police forces, however much they might want to. So the motivating factor for not increasing the size is not lack of inequality but lack of money.

Edited March 8, 2015 by Argus

Shady · March 8, 2015

Thats right, the bigger issue. The D of J finds the Ferguson PD is rife with racism. Not being able to find enough evidence to charge one of their white cops in the shooting of a unarmed black teenager is probably more his good luck than any vindication.

I don't know how many cops have killed anyone. All I know, from the federal investigation is that hands up, don't shoot didn't happen. And all of the evidence vidicated Wilson's side of the story. To suggest that there's more evidence to suggest that Wilson shot Brown because of racism is an alternate version of reality.

WestCoastRunner · March 9, 2015

I don't know how many cops have killed anyone. All I know, from the federal investigation is that hands up, don't shoot didn't happen. And all of the evidence vidicated Wilson's side of the story. To suggest that there's more evidence to suggest that Wilson shot Brown because of racism is an alternate version of reality.

Yes but..... they found the department he works for highly racist. You don't see a connection? Ok, fair enough. You do have a black and white mindset with no room to think outside the lines. Tell me, when you coloured in a colouring book as a child, did you stay within the lines?

jacee · March 9, 2015

I've seen too many human studies, especially those that involve some element of self reporting, or nebulous ideas such as all things being equal, turn out to be far less valuable than originally thought.

So choose better ones.

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jbg · March 9, 2015

It's useless to know, for example, that black people despite having the same education and income as others are still denied mortgages? That's useless knowledge?

Are you adjusting for the location of the property?

Smallc · March 9, 2015

So choose better ones.

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There aren't any.

Shady · March 9, 2015

Yes but..... they found the department he works for highly racist. You don't see a connection? Ok, fair enough. You do have a black and white mindset with no room to think outside the lines. Tell me, when you coloured in a colouring book as a child, did you stay within the lines?

Once again, the federal investigation cleared officer Wilson. Which is a seperate matter from the police department itself. If you have any additional evidence to suggest that officer Wilson is racist, please present it. Perhaps email? Telephone messages? Text messages? Prior instances of racism? All of which would have been accessible to federal investigators. Yes, the police department itself needs a lot of work and remedies. But that's a seperate issue than what happened between Brown and Wilson. And the evidence vindiated Mr. Wilson. It's time you accepted that fact. Accepted you were completely and utterly wrong about this whole situation from the very beginning, and move on already.

On Guard for Thee · March 9, 2015

Once again, the federal investigation cleared officer Wilson. Which is a seperate matter from the police department itself. If you have any additional evidence to suggest that officer Wilson is racist, please present it. Perhaps email? Telephone messages? Text messages? Prior instances of racism? All of which would have been accessible to federal investigators. Yes, the police department itself needs a lot of work and remedies. But that's a seperate issue than what happened between Brown and Wilson. And the evidence vindiated Mr. Wilson. It's time you accepted that fact. Accepted you were completely and utterly wrong about this whole situation from the very beginning, and move on already.

The grand jury was was totally botched in case you havent heard. The most glaring part was the assistant DA instructing the jury based on a 1979 law that had been long ago declared unconstitutional. So vindicated in a kangaroo court Im afraid.

Shady · March 9, 2015

The grand jury was was totally botched in case you havent heard. The most glaring part was the assistant DA instructing the jury based on a 1979 law that had been long ago declared unconstitutional. So vindicated in a kangaroo court Im afraid.

That never happened. Regardless, the federal investigation wasn't bound by and grand jury ruling, and had all the evidence available to it, including your urban myth about the DA instructions. Hands up don't shoot didn't, happen. Move on already.

LemonPureLeaf · March 9, 2015

Some black thug robbed a store then tried to wrestle away a cops gun. Then got shot for his actions. Why care about some criminal. He's the garbage of society. Do you all care about criminals who attack police in Canada too?

Argus · March 9, 2015

Some black thug robbed a store then tried to wrestle away a cops gun. Then got shot for his actions. Why care about some criminal. He's the garbage of society. Do you all care about criminals who attack police in Canada too?

Only if they're Black.

On Guard for Thee · March 9, 2015

That never happened. Regardless, the federal investigation wasn't bound by and grand jury ruling, and had all the evidence available to it, including your urban myth about the DA instructions. Hands up don't shoot didn't, happen. Move on already.

The GJ was instructed on, and given a copy of, a law that was struck down as unconstitutional in 1979. Perhaps do some research before you make statements.

Shady · March 9, 2015

The GJ was instructed on, and given a copy of, a law that was struck down as unconstitutional in 1979. Perhaps do some research before you make statements.

That didn't seem to figure into the federal investigation. Any idea why not? If it's true.

On Guard for Thee · March 9, 2015

That didn't seem to figure into the federal investigation. Any idea why not? If it's true.

Actually to correct my previous, the law in question was instituted in 1979, and then declared unconstitutional in 1985. Dont be surprised if this case gets re opened.

Shady · March 9, 2015

Actually to correct my previous, the law in question was instituted in 1979, and then declared unconstitutional in 1985. Dont be surprised if this case gets re opened.

I won't hold my breath, you shouldn't either.

On Guard for Thee · March 9, 2015

I won't hold my breath, you shouldn't either.

Oh I wouldnt be too quick on your assumptions. The NAACP has filed for a re opening and Robert Mculloch has recently admitted he allowed a witness to testify who wasnt even there at the scene. That would be the one who claimed Brown rushed Wislon before he was shot. That and the instruction on a non existent law is pretty good grounds for a new hearing.

Shady · March 9, 2015

Oh I wouldnt be too quick on your assumptions. The NAACP has filed for a re opening and Robert Mculloch has recently admitted he allowed a witness to testify who wasnt even there at the scene. That would be the one who claimed Brown rushed Wislon before he was shot. That and the instruction on a non existent law is pretty good grounds for a new hearing.

Well, considering you were hanging all of your hopes on the federal investigation and the petition with 100,000 signatures, I won't be holding my breath on a re-opening of the federal investigation. I suggest you do the same and finally move on.

On Guard for Thee · March 9, 2015

Well, considering you were hanging all of your hopes on the federal investigation and the petition with 100,000 signatures, I won't be holding my breath on a re-opening of the federal investigation. I suggest you do the same and finally move on.

It wont be a re opening of the D of J it will be a new GJ.