Bonam Posted August 12, 2014 Report Posted August 12, 2014 Pardon me, but weren't all the weeping willies demanding the West help those poor downtrodden Syrian rebels somehow? I dunno. But it sounds like "weeping willies" probably aren't the best way to determine foreign policy. Anyway, ISIS didn't get their arms from the West unless you count all the US kit the cowardly Iraqi army left behind when it ran for the hills. Sadly, a fairly predictable outcome, that weapons left behind with the incompetents in Iraq would end up in the hands of extremists. Quote
Bonam Posted August 12, 2014 Report Posted August 12, 2014 Blah blah blah Care to stay on topic please? Iraq crisis, remember? Any thoughts on it? You should take your feud with Argus to PMs. Quote
Big Guy Posted August 12, 2014 Author Report Posted August 12, 2014 Care to stay on topic please? Iraq crisis, remember? Any thoughts on it? You should take your feud with Argus to PMs. I try. I do not comment on any Argus posts that are not directed towards me and will continue to do so. Iraq - Looks like possible mission creep. The USA has decided to send arms directly to the Kurdish forces. Another step up to the conflict http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/11/us-arms-kurds-iraq_n_5667284.html Harper remains silent and has not decided to get directly involved in this fight. Hope he continues that way. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 12, 2014 Report Posted August 12, 2014 It makes money either way...war or peace. It makes a hell of a lot more in war. Quote
jbg Posted August 12, 2014 Report Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) iSIS's latest contribution to the art of justice (link, excerpt below): Islamic militants in Syria introduce stoning as latest form of punishment against civilians BEIRUT — A cleric read the verdict before the truck came and dumped a large pile of stones near the municipal garden. Jihadi fighters then brought in the woman, clad head to toe in black, and put her in a small hole in the ground. When residents gathered, the fighters told them to carry out the sentence: Stoning to death for the alleged adulteress. None in the crowd stepped forward, said a witness to the event in a northern Syrian city. So the jihadi fighters, mostly foreign extremists, did it themselves, pelting Faddah Ahmad with stones until her body was dragged away. ********************** The July 18 stoning was the second in a span of 24 hours. A day earlier, 26-year-old Shamseh Abdullah was killed in a similar way in the nearby town of Tabqa by ISIS fighters. Both were accused of having sex outside marriage. In another story crucifixion is gaining a Muslim rather than Christian tinge (link) "(t)wo men in the region were convicted of 'dealing with apostates' and crucified by the militants, Reuters reported." Edited August 12, 2014 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted August 12, 2014 Report Posted August 12, 2014 Here, buy this bit: http://www.catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=56339 (graphic images inside) That's nice and all, but I been asking the Iraq question since late last year. And I even started a thread back in January. Why are you all late to this party? Only because Christians are being killed?? http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/23269-iraq-and-its-al-queda-problem/ Quote
jbg Posted August 12, 2014 Report Posted August 12, 2014 That's nice and all, but I been asking the Iraq question since late last year. And I even started a thread back in January. Why are you all late to this party? Only because Christians are being killed?? http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/23269-iraq-and-its-al-queda-problem/ I'm definitely not a Christian. However, is there anything wrong with the West standing for members of its majority people when they are under attack? We don't hear the end of the whining by Muslims about the treatment of "Palestinians" living under Israeli control. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted August 12, 2014 Report Posted August 12, 2014 I'm definitely not a Christian. However, is there anything wrong with the West standing for members of its majority people when they are under attack? We don't hear the end of the whining by Muslims about the treatment of "Palestinians" living under Israeli control. So only because Christians are involved do people give a crap? Where were you all over the past couple years? Silent. I asked at the beginning of the year when the US was going to go back in. And again even Obama said he was not going to get involved. But now all of a sudden Christians are involved, and it's BOMBS AWAY!! That does not add up. And besides, this attack on Christians in Iraq has been going on for a couple years as well. People are just starting to take notice? Why? Oh right, ISIS attacked a US military facility which garnered the response. The Christian angle was simple used as a political tool in order to garner support for Obama to go into Iraq. Again, no one gave a damn about the weekly bombings causing 50+ deaths. No one cared last year when Al-Queda really made their presence known in Iraq. Two cowboys were supposed to pacify and rid the area of terrorism so they could not be a threat to the west anymore. Absolute failure. This is getting too predictable. Quote
Argus Posted August 12, 2014 Report Posted August 12, 2014 Oh, now that you have been challenged in your cheap shots and somebody is prepared to take you on, you decide to try to attack me again as a "passive aggressive" . Interesting. Sounds like something one might pick up from their analyst. Coming from someone who has obvious and repeated personality problems, enjoying antagon I got bored about this time and stopped reading. All I have to say is what I've always said. Grow up and stop your endless sniveling about people being mean to you. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 12, 2014 Report Posted August 12, 2014 So only because Christians are involved do people give a crap? Where were you all over the past couple years? Silent. I asked at the beginning of the year when the US was going to go back in. And again even Obama said he was not going to get involved. But now all of a sudden Christians are involved, and it's BOMBS AWAY!! I would say it was more likely the Yazidi sect which caused a ramp up of the interest in the West. Attacks on Christians have been pretty steady over the past several years and the western media paid little heed. I believe the US has been taking the reasonable position that this is up to Iraqis to solve. They have far more men and were far better equipped (until they abandoned their gear and ran), and that the Iraqi government needed to reach out to the Sunnis and Kurds and allow them more power sharing. The previous prime minister remained obstinately opposed to that so the US shrugged and said "Solve your problems yourself then, bud". I don't think it's a coincidence that right after the US started bombing the former PM was replaced. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted August 12, 2014 Author Report Posted August 12, 2014 I got bored about this time and stopped reading. All I have to say is what I've always said. Grow up and stop your endless sniveling about people being mean to you. What a wonderful expression of interest and intellect. You continue your unique cheap shots which is "what you always say". I assume you do this to get the thrill of a response. Well, you got one. I am sorry you had to stop reading. I will try to use shorter words for you next time so you might understand the message like I am using in this post. Your posts are rude, meant to irritate and really have no place here. You do remain as an example of what the weakness is in anonymous opinion boards. To consciously irritate everybody and gain pleasure from the process is not healthy. You have my pity. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted August 12, 2014 Author Report Posted August 12, 2014 .... Two cowboys were supposed to pacify and rid the area of terrorism so they could not be a threat to the west anymore. Absolute failure. This is getting too predictable. I do not understand these statements. Please clarify for me. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
GostHacked Posted August 12, 2014 Report Posted August 12, 2014 I do not understand these statements. Please clarify for me. George Bush, Dick Cheney. Iraq 2006. Fail. Quote
Big Guy Posted August 12, 2014 Author Report Posted August 12, 2014 George Bush, Dick Cheney. Iraq 2006. Fail. Thank you. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted August 12, 2014 Report Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) What a wonderful expression of interest and intellect. You continue your unique cheap shots which is "what you always say". I'm curious as to what kind of a reply you intended given the nature of your post? I assume you do this to get the thrill of a response. Well, no. You're throwing insults at me so I'm simply replying as politely as I can. I am sorry you had to stop reading. I will try to use shorter words for you next time so you might understand the message like I am using in this post. It's not the size but the lack of content which causes my eyes to glaze over. Maybe you should attempt to post something thoughtful some time. I'm actually curious as to what type of response you expect to your whiny complaints about me? Edited August 12, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hal 9000 Posted August 12, 2014 Report Posted August 12, 2014 George Bush, Dick Cheney. Iraq 2006. Fail. That's really poor salesmanship considering the inaction and lack of foresight from Pres. Obama. In fact, maybe Bush and the repubs were more right than they were given credit for. Even Hillary is calling out Obama for his lack of...well, anything. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
jbg Posted August 12, 2014 Report Posted August 12, 2014 So only because Christians are involved do people give a crap? Where were you all over the past couple years? Silent. I asked at the beginning of the year when the US was going to go back in. And again even Obama said he was not going to get involved. But now all of a sudden Christians are involved, and it's BOMBS AWAY!! That does not add up. And besides, this attack on Christians in Iraq has been going on for a couple years as well. People are just starting to take notice? Why? Oh right, ISIS attacked a US military facility which garnered the response. The Christian angle was simple used as a political tool in order to garner support for Obama to go into Iraq. Last I checked, Kurds aren't Christians. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted August 13, 2014 Author Report Posted August 13, 2014 what type of response you expect to your whiny complaints about me? Again, given the choice to respond to a number of interesting and provocative (you may have to look that up) posts you choose to challenge me again. Good for you! I had read some of your recent posts and your diatribes have become more contained and less abrasive so it appears that my giving you a verbal spanking has done some good. You may even find (if you continue on that road) that a few posters may start to take your opinions seriously. It may be an uphill battle to change the personality with which you have saddled your avatar. You may or may not have the ability to perform that feat and I look forward to your effort. I do feel badly about interrupting an interesting thread to respond to your silliness - but it is your choice. If you notice, I do not respond to any of your posts that are not directed towards me. If you would do the same then it would save you from being continuously exposed as a baiting, irritating and virtual reality pain in the .... But that is your choice. You really appear to enjoy this form of electronic virtual reality sadomasochism. I thought your only pleasure was irritating and upsetting others but you appear to doing the same to yourself. Well, each to his own. Get back you if/when you again refer to me. Have a nice day. In fact, maybe Bush and the repubs were more right than they were given credit for. Even Hillary is calling out Obama for his lack of...well, anything. The real danger as I see it at this time, is that the Americans are making unilateral decisions on the current involvement in Iraq. This is no longer NATO or some "coalition of the willing" but strictly an American military response with some British flavor. What I find even more problematic is that Harper has just made a phone call showing some kind of support for the American initiative in bombing and now supplying weapons to the Kurds. Adding to that problem is that the description of the content of that call is very different from the Canadian version than is the American version. I smell something fishy here. Harper may just be getting us into another quagmire without consulting the Canadian public. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 13, 2014 Report Posted August 13, 2014 ......The real danger as I see it at this time, is that the Americans are making unilateral decisions on the current involvement in Iraq. This is no longer NATO or some "coalition of the willing" but strictly an American military response with some British flavor. Iraq has specifically requested assistance from the U.S., as have other nations in the past. Iraq did not ask Canada for such assistance. Baghdad has asked the U.S. to launch airstrikes against Sunni extremists running amok in Iraq, urging Washington to help halt the instability gripping the country. Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said Wednesday that American airstrikes were needed "to break the morale" of the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), according to Reuters. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Solidarity Posted August 13, 2014 Report Posted August 13, 2014 The US helps to arms and train the Syrian Rebels, with allies Turkey and Jordan aiding in logistics. The US bombs the Iraqi rebels and provides arms to the Kurds and central Iraqi Government against ISIS, who are armed with heavy American weapons seized from the Iraqi Army. The problem is ISIS includes both the Syrian Rebels and Iraqi Rebels. Quote
Big Guy Posted August 13, 2014 Author Report Posted August 13, 2014 Al Jazeera just reported that the USA has just sent 130 military "advisors" into Iraq. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/us-sends-130-more-military-advisers-iraq-2014812233230394936.html It was pointed out that these are not "boots on the ground". These soldiers must be hovering just above the surface. Is this "mission creep"? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Shady Posted August 13, 2014 Report Posted August 13, 2014 The initial reports on this organization were that they were a rag tag group of fanatical anti-Assad revolutionaries who the West was at first considering supporting. In a matter of weeks, You continue to spread false information. The West considered supporting the Free Syrian Army, which is a seperate entity from ISIS. Why don't you know this? ISIS formed, and has been forming, drawning on all kinds of jihadi's from neigbouring countries for months, not weeks. They took their first Iraqi city back in January. Can you could how many months ago that was? Cause it's a hell of a lot more than a few weeks. Quote
Shady Posted August 13, 2014 Report Posted August 13, 2014 Al Jazeera just reported that the USA has just sent 130 military "advisors" into Iraq. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/us-sends-130-more-military-advisers-iraq-2014812233230394936.html It was pointed out that these are not "boots on the ground". These soldiers must be hovering just above the surface. Is this "mission creep"? What is your problem? People are fleeing for their lives, and you wanna use this, and post this as some type of poltical football? Have you no shame? Have you no effing shame? Quote
Guest Posted August 13, 2014 Report Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Al Jazeera just reported that the USA has just sent 130 military "advisors" into Iraq. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/us-sends-130-more-military-advisers-iraq-2014812233230394936.html It was pointed out that these are not "boots on the ground". These soldiers must be hovering just above the surface. Is this "mission creep"? A country has to keep its Special Forces properly tuned, or they become soft. ISIS gives them the opportunity to get experience killing an enemy without hurting anyone that anyone actually cares about. I wouldn't be surprised if the SAS get in on it too. Saves innocent lives as well. Win - Win Edited August 13, 2014 by bcsapper Quote
dre Posted August 13, 2014 Report Posted August 13, 2014 I'm definitely not a Christian. However, is there anything wrong with the West standing for members of its majority people when they are under attack? Well, not really. The problem is we really suck at it. The reason these people are under attack in the first place is because we changed the balance of power over there without really having a clue what we were doing. We put the Iranians in charge of Iraq through shia proxies, and now we face the inevitable pushback by sunnis, and the bathists that we deposed. The question really is... should anyone as stupid and ignorant as we are be trying to help anyone? Best thing we can do for people in that region is stand perfectly still and be very quiet. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
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