Bonam Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Hello... Iraq crisis? Or did this thread turn into a debate about the inanity of each others posts while I wasn't looking? Latest updates: - Kurds score victories against ISIS: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/10/kurdish-forces-retake-2-towns-from-isis-in-northern-iraq/ - Kurdish forces rescue Yazidi trapped on Mt Sinjar, and other Yazidi refugees flood into Kurdistan: https://time.com/3099014/isis-iraq-kurdistan-yazidi/ - Extermination of Christians in Iraq continues: http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2014/08/11/emboldened-isis-barbarically-slaughtering-christians-in-iraq-as-obama-golfs-n1877189 Quote
GostHacked Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Hello Iraq? No one cared when I made posts about the Iraq crisis and the weekly bombings I've been talking about for more than a year now. Why all of a sudden do people care? Are they really buying this bit with the Christians? I'm not. ISIS attacked a US installation. Otherwise it's more of a 'Sounds like a YOU problem', as I paraphrase Obama. Quote
Big Guy Posted August 11, 2014 Author Report Posted August 11, 2014 Hello Iraq? No one cared when I made posts about the Iraq crisis and the weekly bombings I've been talking about for more than a year now. Why all of a sudden do people care? Are they really buying this bit with the Christians? I'm not. ISIS attacked a US installation. Otherwise it's more of a 'Sounds like a YOU problem', as I paraphrase Obama. If you are saying "I told you so" then you have that right - you were correct. What I find interesting is the reaction, or lack of such, from other nations in the area. ISIS has proven to be a formidable fighting force, probably based by and on the old Saddam Republican Guard but now fanaticized, funded by $billions of looted American dollars and armed by $millions in armaments abandoned by a fleeing Iraqi army. It is a strange situation where Iran, Syria (through Assad) and Hezbollah cannot accept a Sunni Caliphate that ISIS is establishing and defending. That puts America, Assad, Iran and Hezbollah on the same side of a conflict. What are the chances that they form a common front? Probably not in public but I bet there are all kinds of clandestine talks taking place. The other possible player is Russia. By backing Iran they are also in that anti-ISIS group. "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive" - Sir Walter Scott Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Bonam Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 It is a strange situation where Iran, Syria (through Assad) and Hezbollah cannot accept a Sunni Caliphate that ISIS is establishing and defending. That puts America, Assad, Iran and Hezbollah on the same side of a conflict. Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah were always on the same side. As for America... one can hope that recent years have driven home the fact that providing weapons to Islamic terrorist groups to fight one another is a bad plan, and that America will restrict itself to air strikes, humanitarian aid, and special forces operations. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Yep, Benghazi ties into Syria and the western backed rebels operating out of Turkey. US training certain groups in Jordan. The stuff in Ukraine, Russian back rebels. All of these separate topics are starting to converge. It is hard now to not get into some thread drift since all these things are so interconnected. Outcome looks bleak. Quote
Bonam Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 All of these separate topics are starting to converge. It is hard now to not get into some thread drift since all these things are so interconnected. Outcome looks bleak. How so? The Middle East and Eastern Europe have been centers of conflict for thousands of years. The outcome is bleak for people living there... but life there has almost always been bleak. Meanwhile the rest of the world goes on. Quote
Big Guy Posted August 11, 2014 Author Report Posted August 11, 2014 Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah were always on the same side. As for America... one can hope that recent years have driven home the fact that providing weapons to Islamic terrorist groups to fight one another is a bad plan, and that America will restrict itself to air strikes, humanitarian aid, and special forces operations. Would that not be the irony of the times; Syrian and Iranian ground troops attacking ISIS with air cover from the Americans. Politics does make strange bedfellows. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
GostHacked Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 How so? The Middle East and Eastern Europe have been centers of conflict for thousands of years. The outcome is bleak for people living there... but life there has almost always been bleak. Meanwhile the rest of the world goes on. We are in part of the rest of the world. What our allies do over in the Middle East has an impact on things here at home. Canada is a part of this as much as the US UK NATO, ect. Canada has only existed for about 140 years, and the conflicts or gripes of Europe's past seems to have been imported to North America. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah were always on the same side. As for America... one can hope that recent years have driven home the fact that providing weapons to Islamic terrorist groups to fight one another is a bad plan, and that America will restrict itself to air strikes, humanitarian aid, and special forces operations. Not very likely...."military advisors" will be ramped up as needed. Somebody has to designate and spot targets for strike missions. Somebody has to support the Russian and Turkish pilots. Somebody..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hal 9000 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Hello Iraq? No one cared when I made posts about the Iraq crisis and the weekly bombings I've been talking about for more than a year now. Why all of a sudden do people care? Are they really buying this bit with the Christians? I'm not. ISIS attacked a US installation. Otherwise it's more of a 'Sounds like a YOU problem', as I paraphrase Obama. ISIS was an issue several months ago (earlier, I suppose), people were calling for Obama to act before they reached any major cities, but as per, he did nothing. Russia acted up, plane disappearance, World Cup, plane shot down, and of course Hamas once again acquired enough rockets to pull off their shit - so ISIS got back-burnered by the media. Edited August 11, 2014 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Obama is the fourth consecutive U.S. president to bomb Iraq...he just doesn't do it as well as the others...(yet). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hal 9000 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 The only thing I like about Hillary is that she's tougher than Obama (but...who isn't) and would've be quicker to act. That woman is cold blooded and I suspect ISIS would've been stopped in their tracks if she was president. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah were always on the same side. As for America... one can hope that recent years have driven home the fact that providing weapons to Islamic terrorist groups to fight one another is a bad plan, and that America will restrict itself to air strikes, humanitarian aid, and special forces operations. Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah were always on the same side. As for America... one can hope that recent years have driven home the fact that providing weapons to Islamic terrorist groups to fight one another is a bad plan, and that America will restrict itself to air strikes, humanitarian aid, and special forces operations. I'm not so sure in America's case it's what they do as they go in that's is wrong, (although the reason's for going in are sometimes suspect i.e. Iraq) but it's what they DOB'T do as they leave. In Iraq they allowed Malaki to take power, throw out all the Sunni influence and destabilize the whole aftermath. They did the same thing with the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan. Lot's of weapons to fight the Ruskies, when that was done, "here's your final paycheck, we'll see ya" That helped in a major way to the rise of the Taliban and we all know how that turned out.. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 I'm not so sure in America's case it's what they do as they go in that's is wrong, (although the reason's for going in are sometimes suspect i.e. Iraq) but it's what they DOB'T do as they leave. In Iraq they allowed Malaki to take power, throw out all the Sunni influence and destabilize the whole aftermath. They did the same thing with the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan. Lot's of weapons to fight the Ruskies, when that was done, "here's your final paycheck, we'll see ya" That helped in a major way to the rise of the Taliban and we all know how that turned out.. That's sort of a catch-22 thing. They don't want to impose a leader on a country that they're helping become a democratic society, so they leave the people to vote - and hope for the best. If they install a leader and he ends up to be Saddam, they'll pay for that too. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
dre Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 That's sort of a catch-22 thing. They don't want to impose a leader on a country that they're helping become a democratic society, so they leave the people to vote - and hope for the best. If they install a leader and he ends up to be Saddam, they'll pay for that too. Why? Saddam was a great success for America for most of his reign. Mubarak, the Saudi Royals, and other autocrats have also been very successful. The only reason the US and Saddam stopped being buds was because of miscommunication and a misunderstanding. In any case everything they do ends up causing more problems. At some point they have to accept that they just arent very good at doing anything besides creating more instability and just give up. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bonam Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Are they really buying this bit with the Christians? I'm not. Here, buy this bit: http://www.catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=56339 (graphic images inside) Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Why? Saddam was a great success for America for most of his reign. Mubarak, the Saudi Royals, and other autocrats have also been very successful. The only reason the US and Saddam stopped being buds was because of miscommunication and a misunderstanding. In any case everything they do ends up causing more problems. At some point they have to accept that they just arent very good at doing anything besides creating more instability and just give up. Every time war in Iraq (and Saddam) is brought up, the left reminds everybody that it was them who helped him to power. That's the catch 22. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 ....In any case everything they do ends up causing more problems. At some point they have to accept that they just arent very good at doing anything besides creating more instability and just give up. Not going to happen...with more instability there is more opportunity. Destabilization is often the desired outcome....pretty good at that. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Not going to happen...with more instability there is more opportunity. Destabilization is often the desired outcome....pretty good at that. Good point. How will the military industrial complex make money if there are no wars? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hal 9000 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Good point. How will the military industrial complex make money if there are no wars? So, no chance that it could be about 200,000 people (or more) possibly getting executed or starved to death? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 ....How will the military industrial complex make money if there are no wars? It makes money either way...war or peace. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 I have read your posts, they set an appropriate minimal standard. On other boards, I dealt with irritants like you (every board has them) by creating a standard response and repeating it until the irritant got the message. I do not like wasting writing to baiters. I have no need to bait you, nor has it ever been my style. Unfortunately, you seem exquisitely sensitive to anyone disagreeing with you. This seems to have led you to take up this sort of lofty persona of someone who takes no sides and offers no opinions, but you do it like a passive aggressive. In other words, you're incredibly dishonest about your opinions, and both indignant and self-righteous when you get mocked for it. So be it. Keep posting nonsense and I'll keep pointing out it's nonsense. If that hurts, then leave. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah were always on the same side. As for America... one can hope that recent years have driven home the fact that providing weapons to Islamic terrorist groups to fight one another is a bad plan, and that America will restrict itself to air strikes, humanitarian aid, and special forces operations. Pardon me, but weren't all the weeping willies demanding the West help those poor downtrodden Syrian rebels somehow? Anyway, ISIS didn't get their arms from the West unless you count all the US kit the cowardly Iraqi army left behind when it ran for the hills. ISIS has been funded mostly by the Saudis and some of the gulf sheiks, as well as by stealing money from the wealthier people in areas they conquer, including half a billion in gold in the bank vault in Mosul when they took it and money from oil wells in Syria they control. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Yep, Benghazi ties into Syria and the western backed rebels operating out of Turkey. US training certain groups in Jordan. The stuff in Ukraine, Russian back rebels. All of these separate topics are starting to converge. It is hard now to not get into some thread drift since all these things are so interconnected. Outcome looks bleak. Uh, no Benghazi has literally NOTHING to do with Syria, and no, none of the above ties in together. Or is this one of those hidden world government Illuminati things? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted August 12, 2014 Author Report Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) I have no need to bait you, nor has it ever been my style. Unfortunately, you seem exquisitely sensitive to anyone disagreeing with you. This seems to have led you to take up this sort of lofty persona of someone who takes no sides and offers no opinions, but you do it like a passive aggressive. In other words, you're incredibly dishonest about your opinions, and both indignant and self-righteous when you get mocked for it. So be it. Keep posting nonsense and I'll keep pointing out it's nonsense. If that hurts, then leave. Oh, now that you have been challenged in your cheap shots and somebody is prepared to take you on, you decide to try to attack me again as a "passive aggressive" . Interesting. Sounds like something one might pick up from their analyst. Coming from someone who has obvious and repeated personality problems, enjoying antagonizing and irritating other people under the cowardly cloak of anonymity, I accept and interpret your silly protestations in the nature and erroneous simpleton like drivel that has been emanating from you through your posts. Read your posts. Baiting has been your only style. I do understand that it is probably the only method of communication available to you since you are saddled and restricted by a personality disorder and confined by a minimal intellect which you continue to exhibit through your shallow understanding of any serious issues. As to "leaving", I would not dream of it. For every Argus there is a Solidarity. It re enforces in readers of this board that deceitful and ignorant garbage must sometimes have to be picked through to find the odd gem. I enjoy finding the Solidarity gems every once in a while. It has been years since I have bothered to take the time to confront and challenge a bulletin board vandal. Posters like you need the occasional light to be shone on your devious and devilish perversion of the freedom of the Internet, like the flashlight that scatters cockroaches back into their holes when exposed. Unlike your advice to me, my advice to you is to please stick around. When I post I do expect other posters to reply and share their honest views. You apparently have not mastered that skill. If and when you challenge me in your typical arrogant, negative and demeaning style it will give me yet another opportunity to shine yet another verbal spotlight on your dark agenda. I assume that you may soon be sharpening your crayons, opening your picture dictionary and preparing a draft copy of another silly response to me. Looking forward to your next piece of nonsense directed towards me. I have some other gems for you. Have a nice day. Edited August 12, 2014 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
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