Argus Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 BTW - Saddam used to have an elite paramilitary force called the Republican Guard. When the USA invaded it found only a few uniforms with the rest of the guards missing. Where did these 75,000 elite soldiers go? Where did these dedicated Sunni's disappear to? There is another dedicated Sunni group. Can anybody say "ISIS"? So they've been what, waiting around in caves for eleven years? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted August 10, 2014 Author Report Posted August 10, 2014 Exactly. There isn't really an option not to do anything. Too much is threatened. Kurds, Christians, Baghdad itself, even Jordan. Assuming that someone agrees with you. what do you suggest that we do? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted August 10, 2014 Author Report Posted August 10, 2014 So they've been what, waiting around in caves for eleven years? There, did you enjoy posting that statement? I assume that you did because no normal person would take the time to do something that they did not enjoy. I assume the intent was to make some kind of joke out of my postings. The obvious intent was to irritate me and to create some discomfort for my enjoyment of posting here. What kind of person takes pleasure from the discomfort of another? What kind of person goes out of their way to create discomfort and then gain pleasure from the process? I suggest that the answer is someone who may have some serious mental health problems. To create displeasure and then attain pleasure from that discomfort is not normal human behaviour. You must be a very unhappy individual to gain happiness from inflicting unhappiness in others. You have my pity. It must be very difficult to live under those circumstances. I hope you get better. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
GostHacked Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 Who cares? What you should care about is that the ugly face of extreme Islam has again been murdering thousands of innocents. ISIS, Hamas, the Taliban - all cut from the same cloth. The war on terror has failed. Iraq and Afghanistan were invaded to rid the area of extremists. Good job. The stated goal got the complete opposite. They are cut from the same cloth, and I would bet you have some of the thread going back to the CIA. Clinton also said 'who cares' with the Benghazi crap. Or sorry, 'what does it matter'. Well... it matters. Quote
Guest Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) I assume that you did because no normal person would take the time to do something that they did not enjoy. I must be a nutty as a fruitcake then, what with work, gardening, the dentist, the dishes, vacuuming, and arguing with you guys about Islam. Actually, that last one is fun. Edited August 10, 2014 by bcsapper Quote
Big Guy Posted August 10, 2014 Author Report Posted August 10, 2014 I must be a nutty as a fruitcake then, what with work, gardening, the dentist, the dishes, vacuuming, and arguing with you guys about Islam. Actually, that last one is fun. Great! Why spend any of your precious time doing something you don't have to, if you don't enjoy it? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jbg Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) The US airstrikes have little to do with protecting Iraqi civilians, and are mostly about protecting US military assets in the areas ISIL is now threatening, along with ISIL's greater overall threat to Iraq (which the US has geopolitical interests in, especially for oil). The Guardian I'm pretty confident the US would never act militarily to protect Iraqi civilians unless Iraq held other wider geopolitical interests to the US. The US did nothing in Rwanda, nothing in Darfur, nothing in the Central Africa/Congo area in the early 2000's during The Great African War. This "helping Iraqi civilians" is mostly White House PR spin to legitimize military action, similar to Bush's "Operation Grab Iraqi Oil" "Operation Iraqi Freedom". Dropping some humanitarian supplies isn't going to change that. Frankly, the way ISIS and Hamas is acting, they are forcing the world to slaughter them. These people are about as able to be reasoned with as a rabid dog, or Paul Bernardo. Here is a concrete example, the treatment of the Yadzidis (link to article, excerpts below): Iraq crisis: who are the Yazidis and why is Isis hunting them? The Iraqi ethnic and religious minority descends from some of the region’s most ancient roots and face executions for a reputation as ‘devil worshippers’ Reports that Islamic militants have trapped up to 40,000 members of Iraq’s minority communities have spurred the US into considering a military-led humanitarian action. Most of the trapped people are members of the Yazidi religion, one of Iraq’s oldest minorities. They were forced to flee to Mount Sinjar in the Iraqi north-west region, or face slaughter by an encircling group of Islamic State (Isis) jihadists. The UN has said that roughly 40,000 people – many women and children – have taken refuge in nine locations on the mountain, “a craggy, mile-high ridge identified in local legend as the final resting place of Noah’s ark”. Gruesome images of brutally slain people have emerged in the past week, as local officials say that at least 500 Yazidis, including 40 children, have been killed, and many more have been threatened with death. Roughly 130,000 residents of the Yazidi stronghold of Sinjar have fled to Dohuk, in Iraqi Kurdistan to the north, or to Irbil. ******************** At the core of the Yazidis’ marginalization is their worship of a fallen angel, Melek Tawwus, or Peacock Angel, one of the seven angels that take primacy in their beliefs. Unlike the fall from grace of Satan, in the Judeo-Christian tradition, Melek Tawwus was forgiven and returned to heaven by God. The importance of Melek Tawwus to the Yazidis has given them an undeserved reputation for being devil-worshippers – a notoriety that, in the climate of extremism gripping Iraq, has turned life-threatening. These are obviously people who threaten or hurt no one. The persecution is savage. ISIS gets a free pass, since they are "indigenous" themselves, or "militant" believers in something, G-d only knows what. I have been asked to justify why I call their attackers, and people of similar ilk, "animals." This is why. There is no possible justification for this behavior. The Yazidis are not Zionists, white colonists, or European interlopers. Their presence is ancient. Edited August 10, 2014 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Moonlight Graham Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) Frankly, the way ISIS and Hamas is acting, they are forcing the world to slaughter them. These people are about as able to be reasoned with as a rabid dog, or Paul Bernardo. Pretty much. I have no problem with either of these groups being blown off the face of the earth, based on their actions. Violent Islamist jihadists are easily one of the most dangerous groups on the planet. Also, it is one of the most dangerous ideologies. I think it's an even greater threat to the west than Marxism-Leninism was during the Cold war. The thing is, people supported communism because they thought it would benefit them economically, and when that failed when the USSR crashed by 1991 the believers mostly went away. With Islamism, it's not an economic system, it's a religion and a political ideology. Religions don't "crash" like economies do, they tend to stick around for centuries and millennia. Islamist are ready to die for their beliefs. The only way to defeat them is to suppress the ideology, which will be damn hard. We'll have to kill most of them (almost impossible) or delegitimize the movement somehow so that people start to believe some less violent variant of Islam. Edited August 10, 2014 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
WestCoastRunner Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 It's not coming to a close, just on hiatus for a while. In time it will brew up gain. And it did! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jbg Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 Pretty much. I have no problem with either of these groups being blown off the face of the earth, based on their actions. Violent Islamist jihadists are easily one of the most dangerous groups on the planet. Also, it is one of the most dangerous ideologies. I think it's an even greater threat to the west than Marxism-Leninism was during the Cold war. The thing is, people supported communism because they thought it would benefit them economically, and when that failed when the USSR crashed by 1991 the believers mostly went away. With Islamism, it's not an economic system, it's a religion and a political ideology. Religions don't "crash" like economies do, they tend to stick around for centuries and millennia. Islamist are ready to die for their beliefs. The only way to defeat them is to suppress the ideology, which will be damn hard. We'll have to kill most of them (almost impossible) or delegitimize the movement somehow so that people start to believe some less violent variant of Islam. One analysis I increasingly agree with is that Islamism imported the worst aspects of traditional totalitarianism into a weird, dangerous witches brew that has far broader appeal than either Communism or Fascism. It has apparent though falso historical roots. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted August 10, 2014 Author Report Posted August 10, 2014 Watching the Sunday morning news out of Iraq. There was coverage of drones and other airplanes doing strategic bombing of parts of Iraq. I saw the Americans killing ISIS soldiers - soldiers and an army the AMERICANS created in response to its attacks on Iraq. I saw USA airplanes killing ISIS soldiers (and mercenaries) who were being paid by $billions of AMERICAN dollars taken from Iraqi banks. I saw USA airplanes bombing tanks and anti-aircraft guns - AMERICAN tanks and anti-aircraft guns taken from the Iraqi army. I saw an Iraqi army dropping their weapons and disappearing at the prospect of battle - an Iraqi army trained by AMERICANS (and Canadians). All because of the misguided good intentions of AMERICAN politicians. It would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Guest Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 Well, if your dog poops in my yard, I don't mind so much as long as you pick it up before you leave. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) I saw ..... I saw American and British and Turkish cargo aircraft delivering humanitarian aid....where is Canada ? Edited August 10, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted August 10, 2014 Author Report Posted August 10, 2014 I saw American and British and Turkish cargo aircraft delivering humanitarian aid....where is Canada ? I do not speak for Canada, the USA or anybody else but me. As for as your question goes, I would assume that the USA feels a need to try to mitigate the damage that it has created in its best intentions. That is very nice of those folks. As for foreign aid, I suggest you check out; http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/23842-hand-out-of-foreign-aid/ to view the opinions of many posters here. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 I do not speak for Canada, the USA or anybody else but me..... No...apparently you speak for America and what America does as well. Where is Canada during a humanitarian crisis ? Apparently it is watching American television programming as usual. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted August 10, 2014 Author Report Posted August 10, 2014 No...apparently you speak for America and what America does as well. Where is Canada during a humanitarian crisis ? Apparently it is watching American television programming as usual. It appears that what is apparent to you is what satisfies your particular agenda - Apparently you have a great concern for Canada and how it is fitting into global issues. If you want your concerns about Canada answered, I suggest you try the following; http://www.canada.ca/en/ "Most requested services and information". They may be interested in answering your questions. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 It appears that what is apparent to you is what satisfies your particular agenda Identical to your intentions and biased perceptions and understanding. - Apparently you have a great concern for Canada and how it is fitting into global issues. No more than your concern for the U.S. and how it is "fitting into global issues". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted August 10, 2014 Author Report Posted August 10, 2014 Identical to your intentions and biased perceptions and understanding. No more than your concern for the U.S. and how it is "fitting into global issues". Your positions continue to be unique and courageous. I now understand why very few posters bother to respond to you. Please have the last word on this communication and enjoy the rest of the day. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 Your positions continue to be unique and courageous. I now understand why very few posters bother to respond to you. Please have the last word on this communication and enjoy the rest of the day. Thank you for your kind and wise observations. It is such a pleasure to discuss worldly matters with such an informed and experienced MLW member. It is something that all can truly learn from here, and apply in their lives going forward. May all of your days be filled with more such wisdom and understanding of all that is...and all that will be. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bob Macadoo Posted August 10, 2014 Report Posted August 10, 2014 Your positions continue to be unique and courageous. I now understand why very few posters bother to respond to you. Please have the last word on this communication and enjoy the rest of the day. Takes you long enough.....how's your head and/or the wall? Quote
Argus Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 There, did you enjoy posting that statement? You really need to stop taking everything so personally. Yes, I mocked your statement. It was a silly statement without a shred of support and worthy of mockery. You are attempting to insinuate the US is at fault for ISIS because they stupidly disbanded the Iraqi Army eleven years ago. Anything to blame a problem on the West rather than the noble brown man, I suppose. I mean, it can't be THEIR fault! We, as the superior race are responsible for them and everything they do! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 The war on terror has failed. Iraq and Afghanistan were invaded to rid the area of extremists. Good job. The stated goal got the complete opposite. They are cut from the same cloth, and I would bet you have some of the thread going back to the CIA. Clinton also said 'who cares' with the Benghazi crap. Or sorry, 'what does it matter'. Well... it matters. The war on terror is actually going fairly well in that there's been no major incident in the West in a long time. What you have in the middle east is what the LA police refer to as a self-cleaning oven. And no, I don't give a crap about Benghazi. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Watching the Sunday morning news out of Iraq. There was coverage of drones and other airplanes doing strategic bombing of parts of Iraq. I saw the Americans killing ISIS soldiers - soldiers and an army the AMERICANS created in response to its attacks on Iraq. The US didn't create ISIS. Stop trying to make excuses for the religious fanaticism and stupidity of the Middle East. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Thank you for your kind and wise observations. It is such a pleasure to discuss worldly matters with such an informed and experienced MLW member. It is something that all can truly learn from here, and apply in their lives going forward. May all of your days be filled with more such wisdom and understanding of all that is...and all that will be. I wouldn't want to get personal or anything, but may I say I suspect the above lacks sincerity? Edited August 11, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jbg Posted August 11, 2014 Report Posted August 11, 2014 Anything to blame a problem on the West rather than the noble brown man, I suppose. I mean, it can't be THEIR fault! We, as the superior race are responsible for them and everything they do!That is actually an extremely good point and good retort to those that blame the West for everything. Israel is blamed for its "settlements" causing purposeless, random kidnapping and violence. The U.S., well, take your pick. The U.S. even got some blame for 9/11. The perpetrators of the savagery need to be held to account. And no, I don't give a crap about Benghazi.The "crap" that should be given about Benghazi is the coverup. Puts Watergate to shame. At least with Watergate we had an inquisitive, investigative press doing their job. Against Obama, not so much. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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