Argus Posted August 15, 2014 Report Posted August 15, 2014 Neat how you suck at reading. It's sad you feel the need to lie about your position. Either they all have salaries published or they dont. All politicians have their salaries published. Unless you can come up with one which doesn't you have no argument. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 15, 2014 Report Posted August 15, 2014 Why yes he did. He also took on his current job and the contract that was in place BEFORE HE WAS HIRED had the 10% clause included. Uhm, and who gave him the job of economic development officer? Would that be... the BAND CHIEF? Or was he savvy enough to read the fine print and realize how he could score himself a big payout by taking the job, then quickly giving away the band's land, defining that as 'economic development' and pocketing a fat reward? This is a band of 85 people, only 40 of which live on the reserve. Even his stated salary is ludicrously high without even going into the fat rake he took off the money the province paid for the land claim. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
guyser Posted August 15, 2014 Report Posted August 15, 2014 It's sad you feel the need to lie about your position.Please be my guest, how did I lie? All politicians have their salaries published. Unless you can come up with one which doesn't you have no argument.And? Go back and see where this has veered into, I assure you that you have it wrong. Quote
guyser Posted August 15, 2014 Report Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) Uhm, and who gave him the job of economic development officer? Would that be... the BAND CHIEF? Probably by chief and council. Of course....who cares? They (council and chief) had to know what was in the contract, and he accepted. Gotta problem with above board negotiations? Even his stated salary is ludicrously high without even going into the fat rake he took off the money the province paid for the land claim.LOL...says the civil servant. Ottawa is full of overpaid doofus'. Take it up with them. Edited August 15, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote
TimG Posted August 15, 2014 Report Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) They are owned by the state? Uhh...nope.Bands ARE a constitutionally recognized level of government in Canada with exclusive control over territory (much like municipalities). So enterprises owned by the band ARE like crown corporations because they are owned by the state (being the band). Edited August 15, 2014 by TimG Quote
guyser Posted August 15, 2014 Report Posted August 15, 2014 Bands ARE a constitutionally recognized level of government in Canada with exclusive control over territory (much like municipalities). So enterprises owned by the band ARE like crown corporations because they are owned by the state (being the band).Yea..so? Quote
Argus Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 Probably by chief and council. Which means improper influence and conflict of interest in awarding the job. If a white mayor awarded himself a similar job you'd be demanding their arrest. Of course....who cares? They (council and chief) had to know what was in the contract, and he accepted. The council consists of two members. There's only 40 people who live there, after all, and both have stated they had no idea this was in the contract. LOL...says the civil servant. Ottawa is full of overpaid doofus'. Take it up with them. My pay rate as an SP7 is entirely public, as are the conflict of interest rules which prohibit me from taking part in any decision from which I or anyone else I know might personally profit. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 Accountability is key; but without scope and context, transparency is just car crash rubbernecking. The legislation tries to embarass FN, rather than promote responsibility. Come on, It will only embarrass those who have something to be embarrassed about. For those who's compensation is reasonable, even if a bit high. it will add to their reputation and credibility, not detract from it. I think only the worst abusers will suffer from this legislation and that's the way it should be. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
PIK Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 Accountability is key; but without scope and context, transparency is just car crash rubbernecking. The legislation tries to embarass FN, rather than promote responsibility.Who is embarrassed by this is trudeau and martin and every other politician that ran to chief spence's side for a photo-op. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Bob Macadoo Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Come on, It will only embarrass those who have something to be embarrassed about. For those who's compensation is reasonable, even if a bit high. it will add to their reputation and credibility, not detract from it. I think only the worst abusers will suffer from this legislation and that's the way it should be. You truly believe the "honest working" chiefs aren't suffering too? They now are getting the undue spotlight. If you don't have access to the justifications the council had for the salary then its a number in space with no reference, except to your salary, which is an unfair comparison. I have the same feeling for CEO salaries. I feel the board, council, etc. must provide at least a summary as to justify any executive salary package. My salary increase can be traced to financial savings, customer satisfaction, etc. so should anyone's. Edited August 16, 2014 by Bob Macadoo Quote
Wilber Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 You truly believe the "honest working" chiefs aren't suffering too? They now are getting the undue spotlight. If you don't have access to the justifications the council had for the salary then its a number in space with no reference, except to your salary, which is an unfair comparison. I have the same feeling for CEO salaries. I feel the board, council, etc. must provide at least a summary as to justify any executive salary package. My salary increase can be traced to financial savings, customer satisfaction, etc. so should anyone's. If they are suffering it is because of secrecy. Because their compensation is secret, there is a perception that they are using that secrecy to game the system. Clarity is the way to refute that perception. Now councils will have to provide the justifications. I have no problem with people like Clarence Louis making big bucks (if in fact he does) because of what he has done for the economic prosperity of his people and region. On the other hand, there will always be some people who will abuse a system if given the opportunity, FN are no different. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
PIK Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 You truly believe the "honest working" chiefs aren't suffering too? They now are getting the undue spotlight. If you don't have access to the justifications the council had for the salary then its a number in space with no reference, except to your salary, which is an unfair comparison. I have the same feeling for CEO salaries. I feel the board, council, etc. must provide at least a summary as to justify any executive salary package. My salary increase can be traced to financial savings, customer satisfaction, etc. so should anyone's.Then the honest ones better stand up and fight these thieving ones.Or is fear a factor if they do? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Bob Macadoo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 Then the honest ones better stand up and fight these thieving ones.Or is fear a factor if they do? Which thieving ones? Who are the honest ones in YOUR opinion? Quote
PIK Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) Which thieving ones? Who are the honest ones in YOUR opinion?I would say the honest ones are the ones living in a gutter because of their chiefs and councils. Now not saying all chiefs ,there is a lot of honest ones ,but to many dishonest getting away with it. Edited August 19, 2014 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
waldo Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Now not saying all chiefs ,there is a lot of honest ones ,but to many dishonest getting away with it. how many is your "to(sic) many" and what's it based on? Quote
PIK Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 how many is your "to(sic) many" and what's it based on?Based on reading about bands that have done really well for themselves without sucking up government money to the ones that are outright thieves. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
guyser Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Gosh, cant find a figure in the post ^ up there. Quote
waldo Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Based on reading about bands that have done really well for themselves without sucking up government money to the ones that are outright thieves. that's a non-answer - try again: how many is your "to(sic) many" and what's it based on? Quote
PIK Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 that's a non-answer - try again: how many is your "to(sic) many" and what's it based on?That is my answer ,very simple. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
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