Shooting in Texas

[On Guard for Thee]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/14/chart-the-u-s-has-far-more-gun-related-killings-than-any-other-developed-country/

Anytime, no problem. You done tried hard.

One more little stat for ya.

[Derek 2.0]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/14/chart-the-u-s-has-far-more-gun-related-killings-than-any-other-developed-country/

One more little stat for ya.

It's not working out well for you.......from your link:

The above chart measures data for the nations of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which includes all Western countries plus Turkey, Israel, Chile, Japan, and South Korea. I did not include Mexico, which has about triple the U.S. rate due in large part to the ongoing drug war.

So the author doesn’t include OECD member Mexico in his chart of gun homicide rates in OECD countries because it would skew his pre determined results…….priceless!!!

[On Guard for Thee]

I assume you must be one of these 2nd amendment afficianados who believes guns have no impact on GUN violence.

[Derek 2.0]

I assume you must be one of these 2nd amendment afficianados who believes guns have no impact on GUN violence.

Certainly, guns don’t kill people after all.

[On Guard for Thee]

I bet you believe whatever Wayne Lapiere tells you to believe eh?

[Derek 2.0]

I bet you believe whatever Wayne Lapiere tells you to believe eh?

I agree with most of the NRA's positions (I've been a member since the early 90s), but do have issues with a few of their points from a Canadian perspective, but understand them in an American context to an extent.

[On Guard for Thee]

To me it's that American context that is troubling.Social ills combined with an abundance of guns is apparently not a good mix.

[Derek 2.0]

To me it's that American context that is troubling.Social ills combined with an abundance of guns is apparently not a good mix.

The number of and type of gun plays little into the equation……..To address such issues, the root causes of both criminality and violent forms of mental illness need first to be examined and only then addressed.

[On Guard for Thee]

On the one hand there is criminality and violent forms of mental illness, on the other this so called right to weapons. The balance has always gone one way, now maybe it should be considered to swing the other way. Just to protect the innocent.

[Derek 2.0]

On the one hand there is criminality and violent forms of mental illness, on the other this so called right to weapons. The balance has always gone one way, now maybe it should be considered to swing the other way. Just to protect the innocent.

That makes no sense………Mexicans have more restrictive gun laws, yet over three times the rate of gun related homicides when compared to the United States………and of course, the rates of gun homicides within the United States have been decreasing steadily for decades, despite an actual increase in the numbers of firearms in circulation.

The “balance” you speak of has been swinging in the “right” direction for decades, based on the decrease in gun homicides within the United States.

[On Guard for Thee]

The "balance" I speak of went one one way with the second amnedment. And of course the NRA has misinterpreted it so rigorously that now you have the worst record of industrialized countries. Maybe try another tack so innocent people may not die so often. Idiots like lapierre can and should be put out to pasture. Perhaps create some sensible restrictions to AR 15's and such. If not, I really don't give a shit. Go blow each others brains out, give us a call when the last American shoots the second to last. We'll come down and pick up the pieces.

[Derek 2.0]

The "balance" I speak of went one one way with the second amnedment.

Huh?

And of course the NRA has misinterpreted it so rigorously that now you have the worst record of industrialized countries.

Well no, that honor, per your link, is held by Mexico.

Maybe try another tack so innocent people may not die so often.

Innocent people have been dying less for decades, despite an increase in guns.

Idiots like lapierre can and should be put out to pasture.

Why? Such a decision is of the purview of the membership of the NRA…….

Perhaps create some sensible restrictions to AR 15's and such.

Why? Rifles, including AR-15s, are used in ~4% of homicides in the United States........Hammers, golf clubs and baseball bats kill more Americans....

If not, I really don't give a shit. Go blow each others brains out, give us a call when the last American shoots the second to last. We'll come down and pick up the pieces.

Why don’t you profess your views on public safety to the Mexicans and other nations in Latin America? After all, they have far greater rates of gun homicides then the Americans.

[GostHacked]

So how quickly can one recover from a gunshot to the head?

[Derek 2.0]

So how quickly can one recover from a gunshot to the head?

How long is a piece of string?

[GostHacked]

How long is a piece of string?

How long is your piece of string? That is a line I would expect a political figure to make. Not a very intelligent one..

[Moonlight Graham]

What if their neighbour is for example a crack dealer or a recently released sex offender?

If a crack dealer, then go call the cops. Dealing crack is illegal in Canada, so they'll be arrested. To protect against a neighbouring sex offender there's many non-gun options: call the cops if something happens; buy a fair-sized dog with a big bark and bite; baseball bat; home security alarm system;, move to a new neighbourhood etc. Go buy yourself a legal firearm in Canada to protect yourself but it won't do much good against a prowler/rapist if by law it must be stored locked away and/or in an inoperable manner while unloaded and away from ammo.

Arguments can be thrown around but the fact is that whatever Canada and most other industrialized countries are doing in terms of firearms/gun violence works far better than the gun-wielding American way. The numbers don't lie.

[bush_cheney2004]

Americans have the constitutional right to own and bear firearms, as upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, regardless of lower gun homicide rates in some other nations, which are largely irrelevant. Citizen rights don't come and go based on rising or falling crime rates.

[On Guard for Thee]

Americans have the constitutional right to own and bear firearms, as upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, regardless of lower gun homicide rates in some other nations, which are largely irrelevant. Citizen rights don't come and go based on rising or falling crime rates.

What is irrelevant, the other nations or their much lower gun murder rates?

Keep in mind citizens rights do tend to go when they 'pry that gun from your cold dead hands"

[Derek 2.0]

How long is your piece of string? That is a line I would expect a political figure to make. Not a very intelligent one..

In essence, that is what you’re saying here:

So how quickly can one recover from a gunshot to the head?

The answer obviously depends on a host of variables.

[Derek 2.0]

If a crack dealer, then go call the cops. Dealing crack is illegal in Canada, so they'll be arrested. To protect against a neighbouring sex offender there's many non-gun options: call the cops if something happens; buy a fair-sized dog with a big bark and bite; baseball bat; home security alarm system;, move to a new neighbourhood etc. Go buy yourself a legal firearm in Canada to protect yourself but it won't do much good against a prowler/rapist if by law it must be stored locked away and/or in an inoperable manner while unloaded and away from ammo.

What is the average police response time in your area? In Greater Vancouver, it’s over ten minutes……I'd assume that figure would only rise in smaller and more rural communities………So if you awoke to someone kicking your door in at 2am, you’d wait ~10 minutes for the police to respond? I can retrieve and load a legally stored firearm from within my bedroom in under a minute……..

I would assume reliance on an alarm (I do have a security system) would take even longer………..As to dogs, I’ve got a Rottweiler and a Boxer, they could be subdued by a baseball bat or bear spray…….As to a baseball bat, you’d wish to defend yourself and your family with one against someone armed with bear spray canister, taser or a gun?

As to moving, I already live in a upper middle class suburb, with relatively low crime rates, none the less, home invasions, sexual assaults and other forms of violent crimes do occur against the public anywhere you go……I by no means lay awake at night in fear of boogiemen breaking into my home, nor do I own firearms for personal protection, but if in a last resort type scenario, I certainly wouldn’t hesitate to use one of my firearms to defend myself or my family.

I don’t feel the use of a firearm to defend ones own life, or the life of a family member, is an unreasonable proposition.

Arguments can be thrown around but the fact is that whatever Canada and most other industrialized countries are doing in terms of firearms/gun violence works far better than the gun-wielding American way. The numbers don't lie.

I think the difference is several key reasons. Namely higher crime rates, less access to mental health resources, coupled with ingrained privacy rights that in many instances prevent the FBI’s background check system from coming up with warning flags on gun purchases by certain individuals……..If these avenues were addressed, there would certainly be a further reduction in both gun homicides and gun suicides within the United States.

[eyeball]

Americans have the constitutional right to own and bear firearms, as upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, regardless of lower gun homicide rates in some other nations, which are largely irrelevant. Citizen rights don't come and go based on rising or falling crime rates.

Americans also have the right to change their Constitution. Citizen's rights come and go based on votes, with no Royal consent required.

[bush_cheney2004]

Americans also have the right to change their Constitution. Citizen's rights come and go based on votes, with no Royal consent required.

Good luck with that...we see how well that works in Canada, with or without royal assent.

[On Guard for Thee]

Good luck with that...we see how well that works in Canada, with or without royal assent.

Happens all the time in Canada.

[Derek 2.0]

Good luck with that...

Indeed…….Sounds like a sure-fire way to hear a second shot around the World

[On Guard for Thee]

Americans also have the right to change their Constitution. Citizen's rights come and go based on votes, with no Royal consent required.

The NRA has already changed their constitution. Or at least the 2nd ammendment. They chisled the words "well regulated malitia" clean off their new hJQ building. Didn't need royal assent either.