Signals.Cpl Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 Or a military colonel committing murder rape (Russell Williams)? WWWTT Sorry but are you trying to prove my point? I don't get this? Are you arguing against yourself? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 Why? Why would you go buy a firearm to carry with you when the people involved in this case were all carrying firearms? What kind of logic is that? WWWTT What kind of logic is the "argument" that if you are armed and killed its not murder? Or that its not quite the same as murdering an unarmed person? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 The purpose of the court is to apply the law, not to protect specific parties! WWWTT Which parties do the courts protect? The criminals? Because I can name more than a few criminals who got off easy. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Boges Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 They already do...perfectly legal in many states. Considered a necessity in many parts of Alaska, where "minorities" live too. But people now feel the need to do it at a suburban Applebee's Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 A minority should try the same thing just to expose these people as racists and/or hypocrites.But then they'll stand their ground. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 But people now feel the need to do it at a suburban Applebee's I don't know what open carry laws are in NB, but firearms have to be transported in some way, unloaded, separate from ammo...??? If state law and business ownership allows it, then some people will do so in several states. Think of it as a political statement for gun rights with practical consequences. Here is a photo from a Target store in Texas...that's right...a "Target" store: Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 Really? On what basis do you say that? Sanity, most likely. Is it better to kill a human being than to capture him and prevent him from killing again? Depends on the human being. Sometimes it makes more sense to just shoot them like a rabid dog rather than spend millions to keep them alive and in a cage for fifty years. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 Good for you! Sometimes it only requires a few moments to think it through. Alas, had the US military people taken the time to think it through before obeying their government's propagandizing of Iraqis and Afghanis, a lot of live could have been saved. Can you try not to bring your rabid anti-Americanism into threads which have NOTHING to do with Americans? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 Is there a thumbs up icon? Yeah, I'd like one too. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 No, this is not police abuse here. And WWWTT was not using it as an example of police abuse. No, but he chose to bring in police abuse, just like you did, for no earthly reason than to whine about it in a topic which has nothing to do with it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 This is quite possibly one of the most disgusting things I've seen anyone post not this forum and I've been here a lot of years. I didn't think it was disgusting so much as stupid and flaky. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 Reason is because if you actually write out the WHY, you realize that that WWWTT is going to jump all over this one! I don't think anyone much worries about what sort of flaky posts you'll write in response to their own. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 Who are you to say I'm publishing nonsense? Would you like to have a vote on whether others think you're publishing nonsense? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 Killing a cop usually carries a first degree. But you have to be aware that you are killing a cop. But it sounds like you are making things up again! Read em and weep buddy! http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEViASCpNTh08AIEwXFwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMG04Z2o2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1402174099/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cbc.ca%2fnews%2fcanada%2fwomen-convicted-of-killing-toronto-police-officer-1.189824/RK=0/RS=4Np4jUK13VPj3pVNypOTBWsEwJo- WWWTT Go read the law and get back to me. You don't have to know you are killing a cop. BTW, cops are only one form of peace officer.When I sit at teh controls of an aircraft I become a peace officer. Quote
WWWTT Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 Sorry but are you trying to prove my point? I don't get this? Are you arguing against yourself? Never said that I was against the fact that there are bad apples. But you seem to want to believe that. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 What kind of logic is the "argument" that if you are armed and killed its not murder? Or that its not quite the same as murdering an unarmed person? Never said that it wasn't murder. Just said that it wasn't the same. If you disagree, good for you! I'm happy for you. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) Which parties do the courts protect? The criminals? Because I can name more than a few criminals who got off easy. You're just trying to spin it back again WWWTT Edited June 7, 2014 by WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 I don't think anyone much worries about what sort of flaky posts you'll write in response to their own. Would you like to have a vote on whether others think you're publishing nonsense? You are commenting on an exchange I had with cyber. Don't expect much more of a reply from me. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 Go read the law and get back to me. You don't have to know you are killing a cop. BTW, cops are only one form of peace officer.When I sit at teh controls of an aircraft I become a peace officer. Just showed you a case where a couple people got convicted for second not first for killing a cop! Go educate yourself with some real actual cases! Until then, you are ignorant! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 You keep talking about some debate that you think is happening. There is no debate. You've said he has a right to a fair trial, which is about as interesting a point as arguing that the sun will come up in the morning. It's banal and utterly pointless, since it's a fact and not an arguable position in a debate. So what do you imagine are the arguable positions here in this debate? What's the question being debated? What are the respective positions? I already asked you once and you just give a bunch of idiotic insults about how I'm a piss poor debater because you're tender sensibilities were hurt by me pointing out how disgustingly disrespectful you've been to the slain. This is a debate forum! You know what forget it, you've got nothing and are just spinning your wheels. I'm going to ignore you every time you fall back to this tactic. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
On Guard for Thee Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 Just showed you a case where a couple people got convicted for second not first for killing a cop! Go educate yourself with some real actual cases! Until then, you are ignorant! WWWTT http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-231.html Read the second line in this piece of info from the government of Canada. It should perhaps relieve ignorance. Quote
GostHacked Posted June 7, 2014 Author Report Posted June 7, 2014 No, but he chose to bring in police abuse, just like you did, for no earthly reason than to whine about it in a topic which has nothing to do with it. Sure. But there is resentment towards cops. Much of their actions are a result as to why someone like Bourque would go on a shooting spree. Simply look at his facebook posts about it. He has an obvious hate on for the police. He and I brought it in for a reason and as an explanation for the 'whys'. Something that is contextually missing from a lot of the reporting regarding these incidents. Police brutality is rarely spotlighted. Occasions like Thomas and Yatim are examples of that. Reasonable force. Reasonable force could result in your own death from police. Simply because of the paranoia that has been created. We as the public are fearing cops, and the cops are fearing the public. This is not a good mindset for a free and democratic society. I've seen many videos online where police go off the rails over traffic stops. And many other horrific scenes of police outright shooting a person. The incident at the LA BART station is one perfect example. A person was already in cuffs, when another police pulled his weapon out and shot that person in the back. I do not believe this guy here was mentally unstable in any way. I think that he is a product of that mistrust between the public and the police services. Why it happened in Moncton of all places, I have no clue. Hope we find out. The reasons I do not think he was mentally out of it, was his deliberate targeting of police. The public was not really in danger in any way. But here is another point. With this, this sets the police and the RCMP on edge. They wont be approaching any situation the same. Next time it will be guns drawn, even for simple violations. Another divide and conquer technique but applied to your home streets. Miss-trust between the police and public create this kind of environment. Quote
WWWTT Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-231.html Read the second line in this piece of info from the government of Canada. It should perhaps relieve ignorance. Ya so what? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
cybercoma Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) This is a debate forum! You know what forget it, you've got nothing and are just spinning your wheels. I'm going to ignore you every time you fall back to this tactic. WWWTT Sure and when a poster asks you to lay out the debate that you think you're having and you respond with this crap what is there to say? It's pretty clear you're not interested in actually debating if you're not willing, or is it capable, of laying out the debate for people to follow. So I guess I was right. There is no debate. You have no arguable position and you're only interested in presenting platitudes as thought they're pearls of wisdom. It would have been one thing if you responded to this thread and said that we need to understand this guy's reasons for doing this, so that we can prevent the unnecessary deaths of officers in the future. But no. Instead you came on these forums talking complete garbage about police brutality, as if that has anything to do with this case whatsoever. Then you tied it to him being innocent until proven guilty because he "may have been acting in self defence," when there is clearly no evidence whatsoever for this. Nothing in the videos suggests this. Nothing in the eye witness reports says this. Nothing in the way he talked about getting into a shootout with the police on Facebook page suggested this was self defence at all. So yeah, it's pretty damn fair to ask you what the hell this debate is that you think you're having. If you're actually arguing that this wasn't premeditated murder, that this was self-defence in the face of police brutality, then I've got to wonder what god damn rock you live under. So go ahead and ignore me, buddy. If you're unwilling or unable to tell me what you're debating and what you think the arguable points are on both sides of the debate, then it's crystal clear that you haven't got a clue. That you're just on here posting nonsense just to get a reaction out of people, while three innocent people are dead and their families suffering and a whole province with a small-town mentality grieves because this kind of thing is the last thing they expect to happen out here. I can't stand police brutality as much as the next person. I've been openly critical of police responses to G20 and Occupy. But for you to come on here and use this horrific incident, where innocent cops were murdered just for wearing the uniform, to push some political agenda that's completely unrelated to the circumstances here, that's just insulting and shameful. Edited June 7, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 Never said that it wasn't murder. Just said that it wasn't the same. If you disagree, good for you! I'm happy for you. WWWTT Wasn't the same? What is it if its not the same as murder? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
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