PIK Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) A first in ONT politics and maybe Canada, but a group of armed men and women have come out with a attack ad on hudak. Nice 3rd world politics when police force tell the citizens how to vote. This is the new low and I mean low when the O.P.P. start campaigning against a political party especially when they know what they are saying is BS. Just heard the radio attack ad, have not seen the tv ad. Edited June 2, 2014 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
guyser Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 Pik...mark down this day. I agree with you 100%....well except for the 'group of armed men and women ' thing. Quote
Boges Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 Hudak even said no cuts would be made to police, though there probably should be. Lotsa fear-mongering going on. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) Source.....cite? Ignored and reported Edited June 2, 2014 by Bob Macadoo Quote
Scotty Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) Source.....cite? Ignored and reported http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-votes-2014/ontario-election-2014-opp-officers-union-launches-anti-hudak-ads-1.2661984 They're apparently angry because Hudak won't guarantee they'll be exempted from any wage freeze, or any change in their bargaining rights. As it stands now the OPP are guaranteed by contract to always be paid at least as much as any other police department. And the way arbitration works, if Toronto gets a raise, then the OPP gets a raise, and then the arbitration system uses that as a guideline for all other police raises across the country. Municipalities have been begging the Ontario government to do something about this as the cost of police and firefighter salaries is driving them bankrupt. Even fat old cops in rural areas who don't do much more than munch donuts and write traffic tickets are getting nearly $100,000 a year plus benefits. Police are among the most overpaid public employees in the country, if not THE most overpaid. And they want it to stay that way. Edited June 2, 2014 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Boges Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 Yet they'll paint their plight as having to do with public safety Quote
Scotty Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 Yet they'll paint their plight as having to do with public safety Ontario police are, as far as I have been able to determine, the most highly paid police force on planet earth. Does that help public safety? Does that give us better police than in the US or UK or France or Germany? If we paid them $300,000 a year would they be such incredibly great candidates that they'd be able to catch bullets with their teeth and use psychic powers to catch all criminals? I don't think so. I think we'd just have the same cops with higher salaries. If you have $100m to spend and your cops cost $100k, you can pay the salaries of 1,000 police. If your cops cost say $65k you can pay the salaries of 1538 police. Do you really think 1000 cops can do as good a job of maintaining public safety as 1538 cops? Do we get way better candidates by paying $100k than $65k? I don't think so. I think we have pretty much the same people only with higher salaries. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
cybercoma Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 Conservatives sure loves their cops and riot gear until it dawns on them that they're public service employees paid out of tax revenues. We can't have money that could go towards patronage being spent on wages. Forget that. Quote
The_Squid Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 Ontario police are, as far as I have been able to determine, the most highly paid police force on planet earth. citation needed Quote
CPCFTW Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) Conservatives sure loves their cops and riot gear until it dawns on them that they're public service employees paid out of tax revenues. We can't have money that could go towards patronage being spent on wages. Forget that.No we don't. We just don't accuse them of assault and battery for forcibly removing protesters who are forcibly restricting other private citizens from going about their daily lives. It's what we pay them for.Fwiw I don't really like cops or protesters but they both serve a function in a free and democratic society. Edited June 2, 2014 by CPCFTW Quote
Big Guy Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 The Tim Hudak campaign has declared that if they are elected that he will get rid of 100,000 public service jobs. Public service jobs are teaching, nurses, doctors, OPP, clerks etc. Are the representatives of those groups expected to be silent during this election? They probably will suggest that public safety might be compromised with job cuts to the OPP. If the job of the OPP is public safety then is it not logical that cuts to the force would have a negative effect on their job? What I am wondering is if this positioning and radio/tv ad campaign by the OPP against the PC will be beneficial to the opposition parties and/if to what extent. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
WWWTT Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 Nice 3rd world politics when police force tell the citizens how to vote. This is the new low and I mean low when the O.P.P. Sorry buddy, not the first time that a police force in Canada has become politically active during an election campaign. But what has your buns tied in a knot is that the cops are going after the pc/conservatives instead of supporting them! Nice double standard! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Boges Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 The Tim Hudak campaign has declared that if they are elected that he will get rid of 100,000 public service jobs. Public service jobs are teaching, nurses, doctors, OPP, clerks etc. Are the representatives of those groups expected to be silent during this election? They probably will suggest that public safety might be compromised with job cuts to the OPP. If the job of the OPP is public safety then is it not logical that cuts to the force would have a negative effect on their job? What I am wondering is if this positioning and radio/tv ad campaign by the OPP against the PC will be beneficial to the opposition parties and/if to what extent. Many on the Sunshine List aren't frontline public servants. Many are pencil pushers that make work for themselves by creating red tape. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 Many on the Sunshine List aren't frontline public servants. Many are pencil pushers that make work for themselves by creating red tape. .......or are forced to work excessive overtime working in the red tape the previous government incarnations created and due to the inefficient allocation of resources by gov't political appointees. Tom-ay-to/Tom-ah-to. Quote
The_Squid Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 Many on the Sunshine List aren't frontline public servants. Many are pencil pushers that make work for themselves by creating red tape. Do you have any examples of these "make red tape" jobs? Quote
cybercoma Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Do you have any examples of these "make red tape" jobs? Those are the jobs where people are working overtime because a job that 3 people used to do is being done by 1 person now. Edited June 3, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
jacee Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) This is the new low and I mean low when the O.P.P. start campaigning against a political party ...Correction: The Ontario Provincial Police Association - ie, the union. The OPP itself does not engage in politics. The union can and does lobby on behalf of members, though they can't on the job. It is somewhat remarkable though, especially going up against the tough-on-crime boys. . Edited June 3, 2014 by jacee Quote
PIK Posted June 3, 2014 Author Report Posted June 3, 2014 Pik...mark down this day. I agree with you 100%....well except for the 'group of armed men and women ' thing. I have it marked guyser. But the armed thing did sound good.lol Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted June 3, 2014 Author Report Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Correction: The Ontario Provincial Police Association - ie, the union. The OPP itself does not engage in politics. The union can and does lobby on behalf of members, though they can't on the job. It is somewhat remarkable though, especially going up against the tough-on-crime boys. . Yes they had to change it when hudak questioned it.but it did start out ''We the O.P.P.''And the real funny thing about it, is they are investigating the liberal government of ONT and yet they are campaigning for them.And who makes up the union?? Edited June 3, 2014 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
jacee Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 Yes they had to change it when hudak questioned it.but it did start out ''We the O.P.P.''And the real funny thing about it, is they are investigating the liberal government of ONT and yet they are campaigning for them.That's a stretch.And who makes up the union??Officers ... but not Command. Quote
PIK Posted June 3, 2014 Author Report Posted June 3, 2014 That's a stretch. Officers ... but not Command. What stretch and it does not matter if it was command or not, these are police officers and they should keep their nose out of elections period. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
WWWTT Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 What stretch and it does not matter if it was command or not, these are police officers and they should keep their nose out of elections period. Unless of course if they support the conservatives, then you wouldn't say anything. Just like all the other police forces that have supported the pc in the past! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
PIK Posted June 3, 2014 Author Report Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Unless of course if they support the conservatives, then you wouldn't say anything. Just like all the other police forces that have supported the pc in the past! WWWTT I would never support shit like this. And just imagine if it did happen with the RCMP, you would be the 1st screaming for heads to roll. And remember this is the 1st time it has happened. Edited June 3, 2014 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Scotty Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 citation needed What part of 'as far as I have been able to determine' do you not undrestand? I have looked for higher paid police and haven't found any. Perhaps you'll have getter luck. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 Conservatives sure loves their cops and riot gear until it dawns on them that they're public service employees paid out of tax revenues. We can't have money that could go towards patronage being spent on wages. Forget that. I respect the job police and firefighters do, but the salaries have simply gotten ridiculously out of wack. These are jobs which have long lines of eager applicants, so why are we paying such a premium? Why are we paying them so much more than their counterparts elsewhere in the world? Do you think the firefighters and police in England are incompetent compared to ours? They only earn about half as much, you know. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
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