bush_cheney2004 Posted May 18, 2014 Report Posted May 18, 2014 The last one who did that got extradited back here for trial and sentencing for kidnapping. :-P Yeah...he was probably sentenced to six months. LOL! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 You can murder people in broad daylight and not get anywhere near 30 years in Canada...so what ? And you can not murder people in the US and get put to death for it. Especially if you're black and poor. First degree murder in Canada carries life imprisonment for your edification. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 Since she's been given asylum, I would suggest they disagree. And I don't think 30 years in prison for sex with a 16 year old represents international norms, unless they're set by Iran. I'd like to read the IRB's decision as the appeal judge threw it out the last time as they failed to identify "how" the sentence met the clause I quoted. If they just repeated the same mistake, expect another go 'round the mulberry bush. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 She will remain a fugitive under US law....maybe some bounty hunter will bring Mrs. Hot Pants in for a fine reward, Old West style. Let's hope Obama does the right thing and issues her a pardon at the end of his mandate. Quote
Argus Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 Let's hope Obama does the right thing and issues her a pardon at the end of his mandate. There are tons of Americans, thousands upon thousands serving ridiculously long sentences for minor crimes that didn't hurt anyone. Obama doesn't have the balls to pardon any but a tiny tithe of them for fear the Republicans will scream about how he and his party are soft on crime. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 George Zimmerman gets to murder an unarmed kid and walk free, while this woman gets a 30 year sentence. Brilliant justice system in Florida. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
Bob Macadoo Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 George Zimmerman gets to murder an unarmed kid and walk free, while this woman gets a 30 year sentence. Brilliant justice system in Florida. It may be bass ackwards to us but just sensible enough to not trample on our diplomatic relation over. I would say again if an Albertan shot unarmed trespassers on his ranch and ran to FLA to "stand his ground", we'd expect extradition. Quote
cybercoma Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 It may be bass ackwards to us but just sensible enough to not trample on our diplomatic relation over. I would say again if an Albertan shot unarmed trespassers on his ranch and ran to FLA to "stand his ground", we'd expect extradition.You're conveniently leaving out the part about her actually being sentenced and the sentence begin ludicrous. That's what this is about. It's not about getting charged with a crime and fleeing trial, as your example suggests. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
Bob Macadoo Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 Here's another point, why did she have to come to Canada, would not a "sensible" state she travelled through on the way not have fought the extradition as well? As well how did she enter the country in the first place, she was a convicted felon when she made entry and she didn't apply for asylum for awhile.....were CBSA snoozing here? Quote
cybercoma Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 Federal law in the US does not allow you to circumvent state consent laws by going to another state. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
cybercoma Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 I should add, the only reason I brought up the other states' consent laws is that it demonstrates the unreasonableness of Florida's sentencing. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 George Zimmerman gets to murder an unarmed kid and walk free, while this woman gets a 30 year sentence. Brilliant justice system in Florida. Zimmerman was found not guilty, Harvey was convicted on all five counts...jumped bail..and fled the country Big difference in Florida or any other jurisdiction. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 ... As well how did she enter the country in the first place, she was a convicted felon when she made entry and she didn't apply for asylum for awhile.....were CBSA snoozing here? It appears so...she was a convicted felon and sex offender to boot. Maybe the CBSA would have denied entry for drunk driving if she had any priors. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
overthere Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 Not from me. 30 years for consentual sex is nuts. I wish everybody would stop saying it was consensual sex. It cannot be consensual if one of the parties is legally a child. I'm not saying the sentence is just, but the humping cannot be consensual. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
On Guard for Thee Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 Zimmerman was found not guilty, Harvey was convicted on all five counts...jumped bail..and fled the country Big difference in Florida or any other jurisdiction. She was convicted 5 times for something that is not a crime in Canada. 6 times wouldn't have made it a crime either. or 7 or 8... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 I wish everybody would stop saying it was consensual sex. It cannot be consensual if one of the parties is legally a child. I'm not saying the sentence is just, but the humping cannot be consensual. Once again, he's not a child in Canada. Do you conclude the "humping" was not consensual 5 times. He must be a gluten for "punishment". Quote
Guest Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 It's ridiculous to say that a 16 year old boy cannot consent to sex. I would imagine he was incredibly enthusiastic about the whole idea. While 30 years in jail for sex with a 16 year old is not quite as bad as some of the stuff coming out of other countries as mentioned on other threads, it is nonetheless an atrocious sentence that has no basis in reality. Welcome to Canada. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) It's ridiculous to say that a 16 year old boy cannot consent to sex. I would imagine he was incredibly enthusiastic about the whole idea. No it's not...when the sex offender is a person of authority or control, parent, guardian, etc. Also, if the 16 year old has a mental disability then someone (male or female) can take advantage of them. What next...are Florida's incest laws and punishment unreasonable too after age 16 ? Edited May 19, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 She was convicted 5 times for something that is not a crime in Canada. 6 times wouldn't have made it a crime either. or 7 or 8... Florida can't and shouldn't run its criminal justice system based on the hug-a-thug laws in Canada, nor should any other state. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 Florida can't and shouldn't run its criminal justice system based on the hug-a-thug laws in Canada, nor should any other state. And nor should Canada run it's based on Florida, or any other state. Our outcomes are sooo much better. Quote
Argus Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 I wish everybody would stop saying it was consensual sex. It cannot be consensual if one of the parties is legally a child. I'm not saying the sentence is just, but the humping cannot be consensual. I don't care what the law says in Florida. A 16 yr old can give consent or not. He is not a child. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) No it's not...when the sex offender is a person of authority or control, parent, guardian, etc. Also, if the 16 year old has a mental disability then someone (male or female) can take advantage of them. None of which was the case here. And even if it was, 30 years is still ludicrous, no matter what the American Ayatollahs think. Edited May 19, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bob Macadoo Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 I don't care what the law says in Florida. A 16 yr old can give consent or not. He is not a child.That is precisely the crux of this topic for many......you don't care what the law says in FLA. The state jurisdiction obviously means nothing to you, which can easily be reciprocated. You are more enlightened than those rube Floridians.....this attitude is the beginning of many cultural wars.Do you pay your speeding tickets from other state/provinces? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 I don't care what the law says in Florida. A 16 yr old can give consent or not. He is not a child. Then you obviously have no "respect for the law" when you disagree. The age of consent varies around the world. Sorry Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BC_chick Posted May 19, 2014 Report Posted May 19, 2014 Then you obviously have no "respect for the law" when you disagree. The age of consent varies around the world. Sorry Canada. Sure and in some parts of the world adulterers are stoned to death. It doesn't mean Canada should respect their laws. The issue here is cruel and unusual punishment and 30 years in jail does not fit the crime. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
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