Pro Life? Then Don't Run Under Liberal Banner

[Shady]

Come on Shady, Don't be a fear mongerer. No reputable doctors in Canada will perform late term abortions.

Yes of course, that old claim again. If that's the case, why not pass legislation ensuring it? With an exception for the life of the mother? Oh, and what about the non-reputable doctors? Would they preform a late term abortion? And would it be legal?

[Shady]

That is true. If it's a late term it's gotta be a threat to mothers life.

Who says?

[Shady]

Because no law states that.

[On Guard for Thee]

Yes of course, that old claim again. If that's the case, why not pass legislation ensuring it? With an exception for the life of the mother? Oh, and what about the non-reputable doctors? Would they preform a late term abortion? And would it be legal?

There is no law regarding abortion in Canada. We all know there are unethical "doctors". Let's let the majority of ethical doctors relate to their patients and if it comes to an abortion, let's let it happen in the safest possible way.

[Shady]

There is no law regarding abortion in Canada. We all know there are unethical "doctors". Let's let the majority of ethical doctors relate to their patients and if it comes to an abortion, let's let it happen in the safest possible way.

Let's also pass legislation, making sure that such late term abortion practices, that don't involve the mother's life, are restricted. The majority of Canadians agree with this sentiment. If you don't, you're not in the mainstream.

[On Guard for Thee]

Let's also pass legislation, making sure that such late term abortion practices, that don't involve the mother's life, are restricted. The majority of Canadians agree with this sentiment. If you don't, you're not in the mainstream.

Well I don't have a chrystal ball to tell me, but I somehow doubt that a lot of women arrive into late term and then all of a sudden decide they need an abortion. Unless something has gone seriously wrong.

[dre]

Let's also pass legislation, making sure that such late term abortion practices, that don't involve the mother's life, are restricted. The majority of Canadians agree with this sentiment. If you don't, you're not in the mainstream.

Yeah! Lets have politicians waste their time fighting a protracted battle to fix a problem that doesnt exist or barely exists!!!

Its quite frankly none of your business. Women and their doctors should make medical and reproductive decisions. Not you, and not politicians. Go fix some potholes or something or balance a budget.

Edited May 8, 2014 by dre

[cybercoma]

Yes of course, that old claim again. If that's the case, why not pass legislation ensuring it? With an exception for the life of the mother? Oh, and what about the non-reputable doctors? Would they preform a late term abortion? And would it be legal?

Oh, do you really want to talk about this again? Remember when I asked you why women have late term abortions and you told me you don't know and don't care? How about you keep your opinions to yourself if you're not going to take the time to understand what it is you're trying to restrict.

[cybercoma]

Let's also pass legislation, making sure that such late term abortion practices, that don't involve the mother's life, are restricted. The majority of Canadians agree with this sentiment. If you don't, you're not in the mainstream.

Bandwagon logic. Perfect.

[Keepitsimple]

It seems as though Justin hasn't thought much of the wide ranging views people may have on abortion, both pro-life and pro-choice. I know many pro-choice individuals who are also very uncomfortable with the allowance of late term abortions, in the third trimester. Are those people now no longer allowed in the Liberal party? I also know many pro-life individuals who see abortion as something that can be acceptable up to a certain point of fetal development. This abortion-on-demand, no questions asked, no concerns taken attitude really needs to stop.

That's the idiocy of the radicals on both sides of the argument. Most Canadians are a blend of both - some feeling that abortion is a procedure that should be taken for many reasons and favour everything being perfect while others think it should really only be taken for certain reasons and prefer to take on whatever challenges come with it. And when you look at it - choosing life is a choice. Canadians are pretty pragmatic.

And that's why Justin's judgement is again in question.

[Keepitsimple]

Let's also pass legislation, making sure that such late term abortion practices, that don't involve the mother's life, are restricted. The majority of Canadians agree with this sentiment. If you don't, you're not in the mainstream.

You mean like every single other Western country has debated, compromised, and enacted? The screaming Left will simply not allow a civilized debate.

That's the scary part of the Left on issues like abortion and climate change - democracy is shunted aside when their beliefs are so righteous.

[BubberMiley]

Trudeau is showing some impressive cred as a real leader, unlike Harper who was never clear on this issue. I was planning on voting NDP, but I could be swayed.

[Big Guy]

If you are passionately pro-life or pro-abortion and that is the most important issue for you then now you know which party to support. It is now very plain where the Liberals stand. We also now know what their stand is on the Senate. I hope that by election time, we will have a clear idea of the differences of policy for each party and make our choices appropriately.

I have difficulty with cheerleaders on electronic boards who snipe at each other trying to demean their "enemies" with personal attacks on the bad guys and favorable ranting for the good guys.

Personally, I believe that the leaders of all parties are good people, well educated, dedicated to a life of civil service and trying to direct Canada towards their particular vision of what they think is best. They have different visions. We vote for the one who has a vision closest to our own.

I do hope that by the time of the next federal election we will have a clear understanding of which direction each leader wants to go and how he/she will try to get us there.

This declaration by the Liberals that they are a pro-choice party is a start. I believe that the NDP and Green are also pro-choice. Are the Conservatives pro-life? It that the litmus test for running for the party? I do not know. I would like to know.

[John]

I'm wondering if this move is more of a long-term strategy.

Stephen Harper basically came out against one of his own back benchers when the abortion issue was recently raised, which illustrates that while the PM doesn't want to touch the issue, there are elements within the CPC that would love to.

Could the Liberals be setting up for the time when Harper steps down and CPC discipline isn't so strong?

This way they could claim that they are on the side of women and womens' choice over their own bodies and at the same time point to the CPC and say "we're not so sure about those guys"?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Liberals start spouting off about a conservative "war on women."

[Boges]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Liberals start spouting off about a conservative "war on women."

If they did that, it would be ridiculous fear mongering. It would appear Liberals are trying to attack people's person opinions. It's clear the party under this leader won't pursue changing any policies regarding abortion. Anyone suspecting otherwise is a throwback to the HIDDEN AGENDA! tactic.

[John]

It would be ridiculous fear mongering but it's a fresh face on the old "hidden agenda" which holds no water by itself these days.

[BubberMiley]

It would appear Liberals are trying to attack people's person opinions.

My goodness! Attacking opinions by declaring contrary opinions? Why, that almost sounds like politics.

[PIK]

It is a big risk and IMO this one will backfire .So what other groups are not going to be allowed to be liberal.

[BubberMiley]

It is a big risk and IMO this one will backfire .So what other groups are not going to be allowed to be liberal.

It's hardly a risk at all. Being anti-choice is a radical position in Canada. Even people who are opposed to abortion recognize they have no authority over other people's decisions about their own bodies. There are all sorts of radical positions that are unwelcome in all the political parties. Trudeau is just showing he has the leadership to be clear on this issue, unlike Harper.

[PIK]

It's hardly a risk at all. Being anti-choice is a radical position in Canada. Even people who are opposed to abortion recognize they have no authority over other people's decisions about their own bodies. There are all sorts of radical positions that are unwelcome in all the political parties. Trudeau is just showing he has the leadership to be clear on this issue, unlike Harper.

LOL Most canadians do not even want to discuss this let along deal with it, that is why harper does'nt touch it. And harper is actually a smart guy, something young trudeau lacks and he proves it everytime he opens his mouth.

[Argus]

So what you're saying is Justin has been forced to drop down to the same level as dictator Harper?

Harper doesn't dictate people's thoughts or votes about abortion, the death penalty, gay rights, or other social/ideological beliefs.

So no, Justin seems to have dropped well below Harper.

[Argus]

Is it any different than not allowing racists or homophobes to run for a political party?

You are really comparing people who, mainly for religious beliefs, have issues with abortion, and racists?

[PIK]

Trudeau is showing some impressive cred as a real leader, unlike Harper who was never clear on this issue. I was planning on voting NDP, but I could be swayed.

BS You are a trudeau worshipper.

[Argus]

My goodness! Attacking opinions by declaring contrary opinions? Why, that almost sounds like politics.

More like attacking opinions by banning them.

[Argus]

Trudeau is showing some impressive cred as a real leader, unlike Harper who was never clear on this issue. I was planning on voting NDP, but I could be swayed.

You'd probably love Putin then. He has the same leadership style.

It's noteworthy that once again, as on other issues like the Senate, Trudeau neither asked for the opinions of his caucus, nor informed them of the decision he had made prior to going to the media with it. His father said MPs were nobodies off parliament hill. I think Justin believes they're nobodies even ON the hill.

Edited May 8, 2014 by Argus