Execution Botched By Heart Attack

[Wilber]

It's a standard you can use to determine if the death penalty is imposed.

it's not a standard of anything, just another form of evidence.

[On Guard for Thee]

I understand that a lot of people who are staunch supporters of the death penalty, also happen to be staunch, right winf sometimes fanatical religious supporters, who pound fists on the table about "an eye for an eye" etc. Just wondering how come those people seem to have a little trouble figuring out "thou shall not kill". Or does it say, Thou shalt only kill people we think are vermin, you know, such as witches maybe. Hell of a nice night for a bonfire!

[bush_cheney2004]

I understand that a lot of people who are staunch supporters of the death penalty, also happen to be staunch, right winf sometimes fanatical religious supporters,.....

One can find support for the death penalty amongst a wide spectrum of individual religious and political perspectives. It is not just "right wing".

[On Guard for Thee]

it's not a standard of anything, just another form of evidence.

Exactly right. How easy do you think it is to get DNA testing in the US post conviction?

[On Guard for Thee]

One can find support for the death penalty amongst a wide spectrum of individual religious and political perspectives. It is not just "right wing".

Care to answer the question?

[Bryan]

it's not a standard of anything, just another form of evidence.

standard

noun

1. 1.

   a level of quality or attainment.

   "their restaurant offers a high standard of service"

   synonyms: quality, level, grade, caliber, merit, excellence More
2. 2.

   an idea or thing used as a measure, norm, or model in comparative evaluations.

[bush_cheney2004]

Care to answer the question?

Sure...."separation of church and state". These are government executions.

[On Guard for Thee]

Sure...."separation of church and state". These are government executions.

That's an answer? Surely you jest. But on that note, those are US government executions, where you dont have seperation of church and state. Matter of fact you never did.

[carepov]

1) Killing innocent people is wrong. Executing people who do that is right.

2) Not executing those who murder others cheapens the lives of their victims.

1) Says who?

2) I disagree and so do many families of murder victims.

[bush_cheney2004]

That's an answer? Surely you jest. But on that note, those are US government executions, where you dont have seperation of church and state. Matter of fact you never did.

Not until the mid 20th century. So don't blame religious folk for government executions. Oklahoma is only one of 50 states, some of which do not have the death penalty.

[On Guard for Thee]

Not until the mid 20th century. So don't blame religious folk for government executions. Oklahoma is only one of 50 states, some of which do not have the death penalty.

Look what Pallin said, she is gonna baptize people by waterboarding them. Look at your dollar, "In God We Trust" You have 18 states that don't have the death penalty. If you've accomplished any progress toward seperating church and state, Sarah will turn that around toute suite.

[Shady]

Look what Pallin said, she is gonna baptize people by waterboarding them. Look at your dollar, "In God We Trust" You have 18 states that don't have the death penalty. If you've accomplished any progress toward seperating church and state, Sarah will turn that around toute suite.

You're playing the usual leftist shell game. Just stick to the issue at hand please.

[bush_cheney2004]

Look what Pallin said, she is gonna baptize people by waterboarding them. Look at your dollar, "In God We Trust" You have 18 states that don't have the death penalty. If you've accomplished any progress toward seperating church and state, Sarah will turn that around toute suite.

This doesn't make any sense....the U.S. government was waterboarding prisoners, not Palin. It is government that executes convicted perps, not Palin. It was government that upheld the constitutionality of capital punishment, not Palin.

[On Guard for Thee]

This doesn't make any sense....the U.S. government was waterboarding prisoners, not Palin. It is government that executes convicted perps, not Palin. It was government that upheld the constitutionality of capital punishment, not Palin.

I'll let you and Shady take care of this from here on in. It tends to be very funny, not too bright, but humorous for sure.

[Shady]

I'll let you and Shady take care of this from here on in. It tends to be very funny, not too bright, but humorous for sure.

Just stick to the issue.

[Bryan]

1) Says who?

I just did. Try to keep up.

[On Guard for Thee]

Just stick to the issue.

I will stick to the issue. Count on it. Maybe you and BC should have a huddle.

[carepov]

The only good reason is emotionalism. From a purely emotional standpoint Iv often felt when I see some terrible crime that the perpetrator should be made to suffer as bad as their victim... Its a fleeting thought though because I think. In reality capital punishment is terrible public policy, that serves no purpose at all. It does not reduce the ammount of capital crimes, and its very expensive.

It seems so obvious... and yet... Why is that?

[cybercoma]

Godwin's Law proven yet again ! "Society" kills other human beings in many ways, starting with abortions. So "civilized".

Blastocytes and zygotes are not human beings. Thanks for coming out though.

[cybercoma]

Or you simply aren't afraid to make a basic, sound judgement.

If you knew this guy was going to move onto your street, what would you think? You'd be scared for your family, just as if a wild animal was loose. Why keep this animal caged for fifty years? Just end his existence. It's certainly just, and I have always embraced justice.

And frankly, comparing the execution of rapist murderers who bury their victims alive to the murder of innocent Jews is more than slightly contemptible.

So those are the choices? Murder convicts or have them come over for dinner? Do you even logic, brah?

[Wilber]

standard

noun

1. 1.

   a level of quality or attainment.

   "their restaurant offers a high standard of service"

   synonyms: quality, level, grade, caliber, merit, excellence More
2. 2.

   an idea or thing used as a measure, norm, or model in comparative evaluations.

DNA evidence is just evidence that can be used in conjunction with other evidence. On its own, it means little. it is certainly not a standard.

[Scotty]

So those are the choices? Murder convicts or have them come over for dinner? Do you even logic, brah?

The term 'murder' is hyperbole given the execution of these individuals is legal.

It seems to me that the main barrier to more widespread execution is the lack of certainty to the justice system, not that most people have a lot of care in the well being of people like this. You might think it is immoral but it's arrogant to presume your sense of morality trumps that of others. The public has always been widely distributed along the decision path for this one. I have little doubt, though, that if they had complete confidence in the justice system, the majority would want people like this, like Bernardo and Olsen, executed. Perhaps it's easier to see them as non-humans because of the fundamentally "animalish", savage and cruel nature of their own behaviour.

[Wilber]

The term 'murder' is hyperbole given the execution of these individuals is legal.

It seems to me that the main barrier to more widespread execution is the lack of certainty to the justice system, not that most people have a lot of care in the well being of people like this. You might think it is immoral but it's arrogant to presume your sense of morality trumps that of others. The public has always been widely distributed along the decision path for this one. I have little doubt, though, that if they had complete confidence in the justice system, the majority would want people like this, like Bernardo and Olsen, executed. Perhaps it's easier to see them as non-humans because of the fundamentally "animalish", savage and cruel nature of their own behaviour.

You could count me out of that majority. I think capital punishment is barbaric but if we do go back to it, at least we should be honest about what they really are and make executions public occasions with full live media coverage.

Edited May 3, 2014 by Wilber

[bleeding heart]

I agree, Wilber.

Further, "small government" folks of every persuasion are going to have to admit that they love them some Big Government!....the Biggest Government you can get. Literally nothing is more statist than the death penalty.

Edited May 3, 2014 by bleeding heart

[carepov]

There is nothing wrong with the death penalty in certain cases, such as this. It can be fundamentally just and entirely deserving.

The only issue I have generally is with the incompetence of our judicial systems in being sure of guilt.

I agree...it was actually the "civilized" thing to do.

One way to distinguish barbarism and civilization is the use of violence. The more civilized the society the less it would resort to the use violence, unless it is the last resort.

Another quality of civilization is the use of reason and the restraint of barbaric primitive emotions such as vengeance.

On both counts, all else being equal, a society with capital punishment is clearly less civilized than one without.