bush_cheney2004 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 ...On both counts, all else being equal, a society with capital punishment is clearly less civilized than one without. Perhaps, but that doesn't exclude capital punishment from a civilized society. Many past attributes of "civilized" society compared to "primitive barbarians" are now considered to be abhorrent.....yet, capital punishment endures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 As a European there must be some in-built sentiment in me against capital punishment but I do realise the arguments of the proponents do make sense too. If you take someone like Timothy McVeigh, does anyone really honestly think he didn't deserve to die because of his atrocious crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Perhaps, but that doesn't exclude capital punishment from a civilized society. Many past attributes of "civilized" society compared to "primitive barbarians" are now considered to be abhorrent.....yet, capital punishment endures. It does where you live. Go look up who you share that noteriety with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 As a European there must be some in-built sentiment in me against capital punishment but I do realise the arguments of the proponents do make sense too. If you take someone like Timothy McVeigh, does anyone really honestly think he didn't deserve to die because of his atrocious crime? And that's the kicker. The concept of "deserve" is generally unaffected by ones religion. That a person does such horrible things tends to make us all feel he deserves the same in return. The concept of an eye for an eye might be in the bible, but most of us don't get it from there. It's a gut instinct that tells us what kind of justice someone 'deserves' based on what harm they've caused and why they caused it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 Many religions have a well developed notion of karma...positive and negative. Condemned prisoners just get theirs special delivery from the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 Many religions have a well developed notion of karma...positive and negative. Condemned prisoners just get theirs special delivery from the government. Are you now suggesting we go back and allow religion to govern our laws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carepov Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 Perhaps, but that doesn't exclude capital punishment from a civilized society. Many past attributes of "civilized" society compared to "primitive barbarians" are now considered to be abhorrent.....yet, capital punishment endures. Agreed. Obviously the USA is a civilized society and so is China. I am sure that one day humans will look back at 2014 and ask, "how could such a civilized society support the death penalty?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 Agreed. Obviously the USA is a civilized society and so is China. I am sure that one day humans will look back at 2014 and ask, "how could such a civilized society support the death penalty?". I am sure that the U.S. states that never had capital punishment or those that abolished it over the past 150 years asked the same thing about a civilized Canada retaining the death penalty until 1976 (or even 22 years later for DND military law). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 Agreed. Obviously the USA is a civilized society and so is China. I am sure that one day humans will look back at 2014 and ask, "how could such a civilized society support the death penalty?". I am sure that the U.S. states that never had capital punishment or those that abolished it over the past 150 years asked the same thing about a civilized Canada retaining the death penalty until 1976 (or even 22 years later for DND military law). The last person the government murdered in Canada was in '61. You still have 32 states that do it regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 Are you now suggesting we go back and allow religion to govern our laws?go back? He lives in the US. Some states are practically theocracies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 go back? He lives in the US. Some states are practically theocracies. True enough. One need only read up on the Tea Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 The last person the government murdered in Canada was in '61. You still have 32 states that do it regularly. I wasn't aware it was a contest....but many U.S. states got rid of the death penalty long before 1961. The USSC actually suspended all executions in the U.S. from 1972 - 1976. I guess "civilized" is a relative thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 (edited) Are you now suggesting we go back and allow religion to govern our laws? Judeo-Christian values do just that....in Canada and the U.S.A. Plus one of them has a monarchy with a bejeweled crown. The death penalty survived all of that. Edited May 7, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 I wasn't aware it was a contest....but many U.S. states got rid of the death penalty long before 1961. The USSC actually suspended all executions in the U.S. from 1972 - 1976. I guess "civilized" is a relative thing. Maybe just have a quick look back at the heading here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 Judeo-Christian values do just that....in Canada and the U.S.A. Plus one of them has a monarchy with a bejeweled crown. The death penalty survived all of that. And that one has no death penalty. That's one of the jewels in our crown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 And that one has no death penalty. That's one of the jewels in our crown. And what puts you in the same league as Tonga, and Iraq, and Afghanistan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 And what puts you in the same league as Tonga, and Iraq, and Afghanistan. No....my state abolished capital punishment over 100 years ago....long before Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 No....my state abolished capital punishment over 100 years ago....long before Canada. What about the other 32? When we make a moral decision in Canada, we go all out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 What about the other 32? When we make a moral decision in Canada, we go all out. What about them ? Several of those states haven't executed anybody for many decades despite having capital punishment. Others have a moratorium on executions. Canada was way behind the others that never had capital punishment or abolished it a long time ago. So much for going "all out". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 What about the other 32? When we make a moral decision in Canada, we go all out. Also the defacto abolishment of the death penalty in Canada occured in '63. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 What about them ? Several of those states haven't executed anybody for many decades despite having capital punishment. Others have a moratorium on executions. Canada was way behind the others that never had capital punishment or abolished it a long time ago. So much for going "all out". And so what happened a littel while ago in Oklahoma? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 (edited) Also the defacto abolishment of the death penalty in Canada occured in '63. Still carried on the books for DND until 1998 (National Defense Act). That was only 16 years ago. Edited May 7, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 And so what happened a littel while ago in Oklahoma? A convicted murderer and rapist was put to death by the state. The End. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 Still carried on the books for DND until 1998. That was only 16 years ago. I'm not sure what wheaties box you pretend you get your facts from, but anyway. I don't really care if you like to kill each other down there. Whether it be by the gallows, or by brain dead NRA rules. When the last American kills the second to last American, he can give us a call and we'll head on down and clean the place up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 I'm not sure what wheaties box you pretend you get your facts from, but anyway. I don't really care if you like to kill each other down there. Whether it be by the gallows, or by brain dead NRA rules. When the last American kills the second to last American, he can give us a call and we'll head on down and clean the place up. Off topic....your typical anti-American rant. There will always be more Americans than Canadians....always have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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