Real Racism: Clippers Owner Bids GF to Avoid Blacks in Public

[Boges]

Well well. Sterling has changed his mind, he doesn't want to sell and he's going to sue the NBA.

And people thought this was going to be easy.

[jbg]

Well well. Sterling has changed his mind, he doesn't want to sell and he's going to sue the NBA.

And people thought this was going to be easy.

Maybe easier than some think (link to article in today's N.Y. Times, excerpts below):

With little else to say, Mr. Sterling hung up. Pierce O’Donnell, Mrs. Sterling’s lawyer, turned to a roomful of lawyers, investment bankers and financial advisers and said, “Time to go to Plan B,” according to advisers who were in the room.

It was a reference to a provision in the trust that controlled the Clippers that stipulated that if Mr. or Mrs. Sterling was found to have a cognitive impairment, the other had a fiduciary responsibility to become sole trustee.

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That legal maneuver, so closely held that some of Mrs. Sterling’s advisers were unaware it existed, capped a hectic, weekslong effort to wrest control of the team from Mr. Sterling.

Edited June 10, 2014 by jbg

[Boges]

No he's not crazy at all.

[jbg]

I don't know if Sterling's missive is crazy. I doubt he wrote it. The primary logic gap is that "First Amendment" rights to do apply to private enterprise.

[cybercoma]

As a lawyer he should know that the NBA can't violate his freedom of speech and that forcing him to sell his NBA team doesn't stop him from continuing to say stupid things. Every part of that letter is absurd from the notion that the NBA is taking away his freedom of speech to the idea that the NBA has a "reign of terror." He calls them bullies and calls them out for oppressing him when this is about him bullying his gf, oppressing her, and spreading racist hatred. What a sad sack. I'm sick of oppressors crying about being oppressed.

Edited June 11, 2014 by cybercoma

[bush_cheney2004]

All nonsense of course, as the league and players were quite happy to reap substantial income from Sterling's enterprise with the once lowly Clippers.

[monty16]

Above all, and from a Canadian POV we should be able to see that this is a big aid in forming the division in the US between those who accept black people as citizens and those who are obsessed with their racist hating.

It's political and neither side has a clear majority so there's a good chance that the Republican side will become an exclusively racist side while the Dem side will become the opposition. Or at least, that's the way the politicians will attempt to frame it.

It won't be entirely successful but it will most likely make it difficult to oppose the Republican party if one is immersed in racist hate. It will become more in their interests to support Republicans.

Unbelievably, politics in that country can degenerate much more than it already has in it's quest for the bottom. Corruption in their politics, corruption with their guns, corruption in their justice system, corruption in their health care system, corruption with their income inequality, and soon corruption throughout. All leading to their decline and to China rising up to take their place as world leader in all aspects.

The denial of the racist charges have grown thin lately. Soon they won't even attempt to deny anymore.

[Boges]

All nonsense of course, as the league and players were quite happy to reap substantial income from Sterling's enterprise with the once lowly Clippers.

It's been said that his recent "antics" only gave the league a reason to remove him from the ranks of owners because he's been a problem owner for a long time. As I said previously, it's sort of like getting Capone on Tax Evasion.

Edited June 11, 2014 by Boges

[jbg]

Above all, and from a Canadian POV we should be able to see that this is a big aid in forming the division in the US between those who accept black people as citizens and those who are obsessed with their racist hating.

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The denial of the racist charges have grown thin lately. Soon they won't even attempt to deny anymore.

We're not perfect but at least we try to integrate our ethnic minorities and fuse people into being one country. Has your country managed to have more than one unelected female PM, and no minority member PM's?

Our country has made an effort, albeit an imperfect one, to be "all for one, one for all." What other countries even come close?

[bush_cheney2004]

We're not perfect but at least we try to integrate our ethnic minorities and fuse people into being one country.

Agreed...Joni Mitchell schooled me on rampant racism in Canada years ago.

[Boges]

Agreed...Joni Mitchell schooled me on rampant racism in Canada years ago.

Care to expand on that?

[jbg]

Agreed...Joni Mitchell schooled me on rampant racism in Canada years ago.

What song? Edited June 11, 2014 by jbg

[monty16]

We're not perfect but at least we try to integrate our ethnic minorities and fuse people into being one country. Has your country managed to have more than one unelected female PM, and no minority member PM's?

Our country has made an effort, albeit an imperfect one, to be "all for one, one for all." What other countries even come close?

Has your country managed to have more than one unelected or elected president? What's your point? Even if you had I don't think it would be a point worth arguing. Maybe wait until Hillary is elected president and then bring it up?

And what do you mean about 'no' minority member P.M.'s I'm just going to say that of course we have until you explain what you mean. We've had many minority MP's go on to become our P.M.

Can you explain any success you've had becoming an 'all for one, one for all' nation that Canada hasn't had equal or better success in achieving?

I do grant you that you have a very active faction in your country that is striving for racial equality. It most likely eclipses that same faction in Canada but that appears to me to be out of necessity. We might be accused of not being proactive in that regard and so stand in danger of becoming more like the US and having equal or greater racial problems.

Suffice to say that what I have suggested is not just my imagination. There is a definite siding with racism on the part of the conservative and the opposite with the liberals. It's part of your politics and especially with the teabagger movement which should be an embarrassment to America with some of it's antics.

And fwiw, I can excuse people like Glenn Beck as being nothing more than an entertainer whose only ambition is to make money entertaining. Same as Limbaugh, they both appeal to a lower mentality of extremes.

We're not perfect but at least we try to integrate our ethnic minorities and fuse people into being one country.

It's not a question of being perfect. In my opinion it's a matter of how much the US's efforts have led to success. And again in my opinion, any efforts you can suggest have been made have only led to failure. That is, as evidenced by the problems your country is immersed in now as we speak. Comparisons with other first world countries are in order!

For one example, your country's infighting over health care is disgraceful! The political rhetoric in the US south is also disgraceful. Do you think that it escapes Canadian listeners? Do you think the world can't see it?

We need to encourage more Americans on this forum. The ones we have are not furnishing the credibility and the representative sentiments of what the US has become.

Edited June 11, 2014 by monty16

[bush_cheney2004]

What song ? Cherokee Louise in this specific case, but Mitchell wrote about racism and sexism in many places...all the way to Australia. At one point in the 70's she adopted a pimp persona...Art Nouveau. And of course she ripped Saskatoon more recently.

[jbg]

Has your country managed to have more than one unelected or elected president? What's your point? Even if you had I don't think it would be a point worth arguing. Maybe wait until Hillary is elected president and then bring it up?

Gerald Ford has been our only unelected President, by which I mean never elected as President or Vice-President.

And what do you mean about 'no' minority member P.M.'s I'm just going to say that of course we have until you explain what you mean. We've had many minority MP's go on to become our P.M.

You have had minority governments; just never a member of a visible minority group as President.

Can you explain any success you've had becoming an 'all for one, one for all' nation that Canada hasn't had equal or better success in achieving?

E pluribus unum is one of our slogans. You have Quebec's difficulties as Exhibit "A".

I do grant you that you have a very active faction in your country that is striving for racial equality. It most likely eclipses that same faction in Canada but that appears to me to be out of necessity. We might be accused of not being proactive in that regard and so stand in danger of becoming more like the US and having equal or greater racial problems.

We have our share of racists. One of them is fairly rich and is in the process of losing his basketball team over racism.

Suffice to say that what I have suggested is not just my imagination. There is a definite siding with racism on the part of the conservative and the opposite with the liberals. It's part of your politics and especially with the teabagger movement which should be an embarrassment to America with some of it's antics.

Most tea party sympathizers are not racists.

And fwiw, I can excuse people like Glenn Beck as being nothing more than an entertainer whose only ambition is to make money entertaining. Same as Limbaugh, they both appeal to a lower mentality of extremes.

Rick Mercer? Who gets his jollies by making fun of Americans who do not know much about Canada?

For one example, your country's infighting over health care is disgraceful! The political rhetoric in the US south is also disgraceful.

How is it somehow "disgraceful" to think that a government run health care system would be the VA's system writ large.

We need to encourage more Americans on this forum. The ones we have are not furnishing the credibility and the representative sentiments of what the US has become.

If that is some kind of personal attack I don't appreciate it.

[monty16]

No, it's not a personal attack. It's just that you don't say much and are not so outspoken as most Americans I've had words with on some other forums. In fact that whole post was quite unremarkable in it's content. Rick Mercer? Yes, a comedian but not one who actually proposes that he be taken seriously in the way Becke and Limbaugh do. It takes a bit of intelligence to understand that those two are just entertainers. The trouble is, a lot of Americans don't understand.

I'm waiting for Americans who are willing to express their teabagger hate and loathing for the normal. bush/cheney, I don't consider as having much credibility and is not to be taken seriously. After their track record, who could take either Bush or Cheney seriously? His name challenges moderation and common sense and he's hoping to be recognized for it.

[jbg]

It's just that you don't say much and are not so outspoken as most Americans I've had words with on some other forums.

Don't say much about what? Are not so outspoken about what?

After their track record, who could take either Bush or Cheney seriously? His name challenges moderation and common sense and he's hoping to be recognized for it.

I don't consider Obama/Biden's track record any better. In fact, quite the contrary.

As far as hurricanes, Sandy hit a part of the country with relatively competent local governments. You can't say that about Louisiana. In fact after Katrina hit Mississippi did not have the levels of suffering that New Orleans did in spite of taking a far more direct hit. I think also that in the 2004 election Kerry was a joke.

I am not putting in a plug for BC2004 the poster though.

[monty16]

Don't say much about what? Are not so outspoken about what?

I don't consider Obama/Biden's track record any better. In fact, quite the contrary.

As far as hurricanes, Sandy hit a part of the country with relatively competent local governments. You can't say that about Louisiana. In fact after Katrina hit Mississippi did not have the levels of suffering that New Orleans did in spite of taking a far more direct hit. I think also that in the 2004 election Kerry was a joke.

I am not putting in a plug for BC2004 the poster though.

I really have no idea what you are intending as your point there. Mississippi? New Orleans? What goes on in your head is not evident to others my friend. You need to read what you say from the perspective of your audience.

I think the accomplishment's of Obama/Biden have not been all that great but I also understand that the party of 'NO' has caused it to be that way. They obviously view Obama's efforts as an affront to their own agenda and see it as socialism. I think they have been right to so vigorously oppose Obama because if his changes had been brought about, the people would have never let them go. Hence, the great fear over the ACA because once it's reality it's never going to be abandoned. Improved on perhaps, but never to be abandoned for the mess that the health care system was.

And fwiw, it hasn't even been close to socialism on the part of Obama/Biden. It hasn't even succeeded yet as socially responsible change in government. That's what is lacking in your country and it's in stark contrast to other successful capitalist countries of the world. As much as you won't like to hear the Scandinavian countries referred to as capitalist.

[bush_cheney2004]

This must be what Joni Mitchell meant about Saskatoon:

The vicious assault of Marlene Bird in a Prince Albert, Sask., parking lot has put the city on edge, leaving many residents fearful that no one has been arrested after the homeless 47-year-old suffered burns so severe that both her legs had to be amputated.

Bird was found June 1 in a shopping mall parking lot in downtown Prince Albert.

"Half of her face was off," Lorna Thiessen, Bird's aunt, told CBC News on Thursday. "It was cut from the centre forehead down the side of her nose, her mouth, and her chin, so they surgically put that back on."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/marlene-bird-assault-fear-grips-prince-albert-in-unsolved-case-1.2673948

[On Guard for Thee]

Agreed...Joni Mitchell schooled me on rampant racism in Canada years ago.

I doubt you needed anyone from Canada to school you on that subject.

[-TSS-]

More of PC gone mad in American professional sports:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/us-patent-office-cancels-redskins-trademark-registration-says-name-is-disparaging/2014/06/18/e7737bb8-f6ee-11e3-8aa9-dad2ec039789_story.html

[Boges]

Actually the name of that team provides a lively debate in the US.

There are sports journalists who won't refer them by their name.

American Indians stepped up their game recently.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/10/anti-redskins-commercial-to-air-during-nba-finals/

[Boges]

Anyone think this case was over?

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/11196755/donald-sterling-lashes-wife-says-sell-los-angeles-clippers

LOS ANGELES -- A raging Donald Sterling denounced his wife, her lawyers and the NBA from the witness stand Wednesday, saying he will never sell the Los Angeles Clippers and vowing a lifetime of lawsuits against the league.

"Make no mistake today," Sterling shouted toward the end of his second day of testimony in the trial to determine his wife's right to make a $2 billion deal to sell the Clippers, "I will never, ever sell this team, and until I die I will be suing the NBA for this terrible violation under antitrust."

He was followed to the stand by wife, Shelly, who tried to approach him in the front row of the courtroom after she was done for the day.

"Get away from me, you pig!" Sterling shouted.

Remember that $2 billion dollar sale to the Microsoft dude? Not happening anytime soon.

[cybercoma]

Sterling has clearly lost his mind. First he's selling, then he isn't, then he's selling again, now he isn't. He has a black mistress who he doesn't want hanging around with black people and he calls his wife a pig in public. The guy is a POS and I have absolutely no sympathy for him. It must be so tough having to sell something for billions of dollars, when you paid $12.5 million ($33.75 million in 2014 dollars) for it. I feel really bad that he's forced to make a ~6000% profit on the team (in 2014 to 2014 dollars).

Edited July 10, 2014 by cybercoma

[Black Dog]

I can't believe there are people in the 21st Century who think the name "Redskins" is acceptable. SMDH