The Purity of Aboriginal Blood? Who cares?

[Smallc]

Yes. The considerations an aboriginal woman has to make when getting married is self-imposed. She literally drafted the oppressive legislation herself.

I would definitely say they her decision to marry along racial lines is her decision...self imposed.

[Wilber]

It became my business when she wrote an editorial about it. Obviously she wanted it to be everyone's business, to tell us all about her self imposed plight.

Only because you choose to make it your business. You can always just say cry me a river and ignore it.

[Smallc]

Only because you choose to make it your business. You can always just say cry me a river and ignore it.

She made it anyone's business, and it's a personal issue to me.

[cybercoma]

That you are incapable of broadening your rigid world view to understand how this directly relates to the conversation is, of course, your problem, not mine.

We were speaking, as the conversation moved in that direction, to our multiculralism and and equality of cultures. I was pointing out that while we tolerate minority cultures, we only do so insofar as they don't violate our own culturallly acceptable behaviour too far. All the things you dismiss as 'illegal' are illegal because our culture doesn't approve of that behaviour. These things are legal, or at least, pretty much accepted, in many if not most of the cultures immigrants come from. So again, we accept some variance, but there are central tenets of our culture we require all minority cultures to adhere to.

Or else.

You're conflating the law with culturally acceptable behaviour. Smoking marijuana and alcohol use during prohibition show that you're wrong. People driving 140km/h on the 401 shows that you're wrong. People downloading television shows and music off the internet shows that you're wrong. There are all behaviours that are illegal, yet accepted by our culture in many ays. So try again. The law is the law and culture is culture. We allow people to practice their culture as long as it doesn't break criminal law.

[cybercoma]

I would definitely say they her decision to marry along racial lines is her decision...self imposed.

What makes you think anyone but her has a say over who she marries? It's the same as having a say over whether black and white people should marry or gays should marry. You don't get a say. It's her choice and she's sharing with people considerations that she has to make, which the dominant race/culture generally doesn't have to contend with. She's not saying other aboriginal people need to do this, so I don't know what your problem is here. You know very well when we talk about white supremacists, it's almost always about them calling others "race traitors" and forcing their opinions on others. That's the difference. Getting involved with the personal choices of others and insisting that they act in accordance with what YOU find acceptable, even when they're not hurting anyone and are not breaking any laws. Edited April 24, 2014 by cybercoma

[Smallc]

It's simple really. She can share her views and I can denounce and criticize them because they're stupid...because they're stupid.

Either that or my fiancée is ignoring her 'duty'.

[Bob Macadoo]

It's simple really. She can share her views and I can denounce and criticize them because they're stupid...because they're stupid.

Either that or my fiancée is ignoring her 'duty'.

Exactly. Then it can be stated you insufficiently supported your opinion. Also you not only called it stupid you expressed a feeling to control her decision.....this is where it goes beyond simplicity.

[Smallc]

I can't control her decision. It's still a stupid and needlessly self limiting decision.

[cybercoma]

That's a lot different than saying she's literally Hitler.

[Smallc]

I didn't say she was hitler.

[cybercoma]

[Her views are] similar to the ideas put forward by the Nazis

[Smallc]

Finish the sentence.

[kimmy]

You want to invoke genetics in a discussion about preserving a dying race/culture? Fine. But when you say the cultural argument is irrelevant, it's not. The genetic one is in this instance. Context matters.

You may not believe it to be so, but it do. From the original article, I reiterate:

“It’s absolutely vital for us to actively be thinking of keeping our bloodline strong, within all aspects of our life,” said artist Sarain Fox (Ojibwa from Batchewana First Nation).

“That means only dating native, and it means making the decision to only have children with another indigenous person. I think these are things we have an obligation to consider.”

It must take some tricky mental gymnastics to convince yourself that when she says bloodlines, she's referring to something other than bloodlines. Not is she just speaking for herself; she asserts that preserving native bloodlines is an issue that all aboriginal people have an obligation to consider.

And once again, I don't care who she dates or mates with. I simply point out that a statement that would cause discomfort and probably revulsion if it came from a white person has instead somehow inspired approval because it came from a non-white person.

I think we all know that if you present the following statement to somebody who wasn't aware of this discussion...

"It’s absolutely vital for us to actively be thinking of keeping our bloodline strong, within all aspects of our life. That means only dating (blank) and it means making the decision to only have children with another (blank) person. I think these are things we have an obligation to consider."

...they would fill the blanks with "white" and assume that the speaker is a Stormfront white nationalist type.

-k

[Argus]

You're conflating the law with culturally acceptable behaviour. Smoking marijuana and alcohol use during prohibition show that you're wrong. People driving 140km/h on the 401 shows that you're wrong. People downloading television shows and music off the internet shows that you're wrong. There are all behaviours that are illegal, yet accepted by our culture in many ays. So try again. The law is the law and culture is culture. We allow people to practice their culture as long as it doesn't break criminal law.

The law is an outgrowth of culture. I can't even believe you're questioning that. Yes, at times there are disagreements within a culture which are severe enough that while one part of the culture supports it, another does not. But there is no serious conflict in our majority culture with regard to the things I've mentioned. I suppose that if we had a much larger percentage of "Canadians" from middle east or east asian countries there might be enough opposition to gender equality issues to make widespread opposition to them possible, but there aren't. Which means those minority cultures are forced to abide by laws which are drawn up to suit the cultural beliefs of the majority culture.

[WestCoastRunner]

Something really jumped out at me the other day. My west side Vancouver high school class is holding its 50th reunion this year. The class list was emailed to me and has 185 names on it. Not one is a non European name and Anglo Saxons are by far the most common. I suspect they may be a minority today. Not necessarily a bad thing but pretty convincing evidence you can't just stop the world and get off any time you like.

Indeed that is so. My kids went to school in Kerrisdale. If you were to walk down the halls and noticed the class pics lining the halls, the pics from the 70's are anglo saxons. Not anymore. Mostly asians, my kids were definitely the minority.

[jbg]

Natives are not demographically challenged.

Jews are.

[WestCoastRunner]

Jews are.

And jews tend to marry another jew.

[jbg]

And jews tend to marry another jew.

Actually intermarriage is way up. In some areas their children tend to grow up Jewish. In other areas, not so much.

[Remiel]

Something really jumped out at me the other day. My west side Vancouver high school class is holding its 50th reunion this year. The class list was emailed to me and has 185 names on it. Not one is a non European name and Anglo Saxons are by far the most common. I suspect they may be a minority today. Not necessarily a bad thing but pretty convincing evidence you can't just stop the world and get off any time you like.

Sometimes it is easy to forget that not everyone who posts on the Internet is middle aged or lower, .

[Remiel]

There are fewer indigenous people in Canada and the US combined than there are Jews; by a lot. And many individual groups have the same outmarriage issues. There is also no Israel for indigenous people. Whatever else you might think, to say that Jews are more demographically challenged than indigenous Canadians and Americans is almost certainly false.

[Wilber]

Indeed that is so. My kids went to school in Kerrisdale. If you were to walk down the halls and noticed the class pics lining the halls, the pics from the 70's are anglo saxons. Not anymore. Mostly asians, my kids were definitely the minority.

I was refering to Kerrisdale. Magee or PW?

[Argus]

Indeed that is so. My kids went to school in Kerrisdale. If you were to walk down the halls and noticed the class pics lining the halls, the pics from the 70's are anglo saxons. Not anymore. Mostly asians, my kids were definitely the minority.

And if the goverment had ever bothered to ask the voters, or inform them that within a generation immigration would make them a minority in their own schools and cities, how many would have voted in favour?

[bush_cheney2004]

There are fewer indigenous people in Canada and the US combined than there are Jews; by a lot.

By a lot ? U.S. census data and surveys for self declared Jews and Native Americans puts populations at about the same number...5.5 million.

[Wilber]

And if the goverment had ever bothered to ask the voters, or inform them that within a generation immigration would make them a minority in their own schools and cities, how many would have voted in favour?

That's a good question. If you bought property in that area and still own it you are laughing all the way to the bank. When I lived there during the sixties it was a regular middle class neighbourhood. Now, an old house on a 60 ft lot in Kerrisdale goes for around 2.5 million. It then gets knocked down to be replaced with a 5000 sq ft mega home. Most of that is due to Asian money.

[WestCoastRunner]

I was refering to Kerrisdale. Magee or PW?

Magee.

That's a good question. If you bought property in that area and still own it you are laughing all the way to the bank. When I lived there during the sixties it was a regular middle class neighbourhood. Now, an old house on a 60 ft lot in Kerrisdale goes for around 2.5 million. It then gets knocked down to be replaced with a 5000 sq ft mega home. Most of that is due to Asian money.

Instead of looking at it as being a minority, if you were lucky enough to have purchased a home back in the day, you'd be a multi millionaire.