Ontario Stricter on Vaccine Requirements

[Mighty AC]

Starting next school year Chickenpox, Whooping Cough and Meningitis will be added to the mandatory vaccinations list for Ontario students. Students are already required to have received vaccinations for measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, polio and diphtheria. 70% of current students have already been vaccinated against the new additions. Link

In my opinion, if a person is unwilling to vaccinate their child because of some misguided allegiance to Jenny McCarthy or some deluded naturopath then they can home school. Join the evangelical Christians (75% of all US home schoolers) who are being taught by their wingnut mothers that 4 + 4 = Jesus. To be fair Jenny McCarthy has recently left the anti-vax movement and is trying to reinvent herself as a cheerleader for science. Good luck with that.

My personal anti-stupidity biases aside, is it acceptable that the state can deny your child access to public education if you oppose vaccinations?

[bush_cheney2004]

Not clear what Ontario vaccinations programs(s) have to do with U.S. evangelicals or Jenny, but it sure does help to puff up an otherwise thin OP (as usual). Ontario adopted the right of refusal years ago, long before any evangelicals (or Jenny) in America:

In Canada, vaccination for children is not compulsory. In all Canadian provinces and territories, the right to fully informed consent and right to refuse vaccination is guaranteed by the Constitutional Charter of Rights and Freedoms. In three provinces, Ontario, New Brunswick and Manitoba, parents who refuse any or all vaccinations simply fill in a form, have it stamped by a notary, and deliver it to their child’s school. Schools cannot refuse admission to any child on the basis of vaccination status.

http://www.smartvax.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=59&Itemid=57

Edited April 17, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[Bryan]

is it acceptable that the state can deny your child access to public education if you oppose vaccinations?

As BC pointed out, not only is it not acceptable, it's illegal.

My personal issue with requiring vaccinations is that they are not all created equal. Some have stood the test of time for efficacy and safety, others are questionable.

Edited April 17, 2014 by Bryan

[Boges]

I think it should be legal to deny public education to the children of "anti-vaxers". Their willful ignorance is damaging herd immunity of diseases that were once thought to be defeated. There are cases of the measles being reporters. There are some doctors that haven't even seen a case of the measles.

Anti-Vaxers are on part with Truthers and Birthers in terms of conspiracy theorists.

[Accountability Now]

I think they are trying to do this in Alberta too. Again....its immediately viewed as an absolute rule but the reality is that its more of a deterant than anything. It makes it alot tougher to not vaccinate when you actually have to go in front of someone to explain why but if you are willing to do so then you can still bypass the rule. So far you have a lot of people chosing not to vaccinate just because they don't want to out of fear but not because they are directly educated on why they shouldn't. WIth that said, there are reasons why some kids should not be vaccinated and the schools need to acknowledge that too.

[Boges]

I also think pediatricians should be allowed to deny a parent trying to utilize their services if they refuse to get the MMR inoculation.

[Accountability Now]

I also think pediatricians should be allowed to deny a parent trying to utilize their services if they refuse to get the MMR inoculation.

Why is that?

[Boges]

Because the parent clearly disagrees with the proper way to ensure a healthy child.

[Accountability Now]

Because the parent clearly disagrees with the proper way to ensure a healthy child.

What about if that child has auto immune issues? What if they have detox issues? What if they they have an actual reason that makes them at risk?

[Boges]

What about if that child has auto immune issues? What if they have detox issues? What if they they have an actual reason that makes them at risk?

Sure, if that can be determined then fine. But if the parent is an anti-vaxer that believes MMR causes autism, then no. They're actually bad parents.

You can take a kid away from a parent for not providing the basics of life, but parents are allowed to expose their children to potentially horrific diseases because they're paranoid twits?

Edited April 17, 2014 by Boges

[Accountability Now]

Sure, if that can be determined then fine. But if the parent is an anti-vaxer that believes MMR causes autism, then no. They're actually bad parents.

You can take a kid away from a parent for not providing the basics of life, but parents are allowed to expose their children to potentially horrific diseases because they're paranoid twits?

The problem for both sides is they view this whole thing to be an all or none thing...just like you do above. The whole dispute about MMR casuing autism is a non-starter because nothing causes autism execpt for a genetic pre-dispostion. Anti-vaxers tried to make a direct tie and said the MMR vaccine causes autism and that is not true but I believe that vaccines exacerbate the symptoms or conditions that autism is known for. Everyone recongnizes that autism is a neurogloical condition but now researchers are starting to understand that those neurological conditions are tied to inflamation caused by leaky gut. The concept of leaky guy was foreign a while back but even my die hard GP tried educating me on it in my last trip.

A study came out a few years back outlining the adverse effects of adjuvants in the vaccines in a syndrome called ASIA ( Autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants). This study addresses the issues that that adjuvants like aluminum have caused in relation to the growing auto immune diseases through inlfamation. When you get down to it, kids with autism have a genetic predispostion to inflamation and have poor immune systems. So injecting them with a bunch of ajuvants that are known to cause inflamation is not helping. So....do these vaccines or adjuvants cause autism....no. But they certainly do make it worse.

http://freepdfhosting.com/962132b4b7.pdf

1.3. Vaccines, post-vaccination phenomena and the adjuvant effect

Vaccines are one of the greatest achievements of modern medicine and are commonly and safely inoculated to human and

animals worldwide. However, in rare occasions, similarly to infectious agents, vaccines can induce the appearances of autoantibodies, enigmatic inflammatory condition and overt autoimmune disease [9]

Of which, non-specific manifestations such as arthritis, neuronal damage, fatigue, encephalitis and vasculitiswere frequently

described [9,27]. These rare eventswere documented in case-reports case series, studies as well as via the CDC vaccines adverse events

reporting system, weeks and even months or years following vaccination [27,28]

As such, it was difficult if not impossible to delineate a causal relationship between vaccination and the diagnosis of defined and non-defined AI/AIFD.Nevertheless, for some vaccines such a causal link was noted. In 1976 an outbreak of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) followed immunization with the “swine flu” vaccine

[29,30]

Causal relationships have also been accepted for transverse myelitis following oral polio vaccine, arthritis following diphtheriatetanus-pertussis (DTP) and measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine combinations and autoimmune thrombocytopenia after MMR [9].

In addition, a number of animal models enabled scientists a better way of studying the cause and effect link between vaccines andautoimmunity. Immunization of young dogs resulted in production of 9 different autoantibodies including lupus-associated ones [31].

In another study, specific vaccination protocols of diabetic prone newborn animals (i.e. NODmice and BB rats)were associated with an increased incidence of diabetes [32]. Recently intra-peritoneal

immunization of Salmon fish with oil-adjuvanted vaccines resulted in the production of autoantibodies (i.e. anti-nuclear, anti-b2GPI,

anti-ferritin and anti-salmon blood extracts antibodies) as well a autoimmune diseases documented by granulomatous diseases of the liver and peritoneum, thrombo-embolic disease and immune mediated glomerlulonephritis [33]

Should we all stop getting the MMR? No...not at all however we need to realize that there are side effects that that some of these side effects (like growing autoimmune issues) are becoming more prevelant. Austim is one of those things that is becoming more prevelant and recent ties to autism being exacerbated by inflammation certainly makes me question if there is in fact a link to vaccines. Not a direct link...but a link nonetheless.

[guyser]

Schools cannot refuse admission to any child on the basis of vaccination status.

Not only can they, they do, with regularity.

Not sure why a Jenny McCarthy kook website would be used but there you go. I guess Truther websites and Susquatch websites are valid too?

However, the act in question states the medical officer of health can order students without proper records to stay away from schools in case of an outbreak.

Almost 1,000 of Ottawa’s high school students have been suspended for improperly-kept immunization records.

About 900 students have been sent home for 20 days for not having the records, not necessarily for not having their shots.

Ottawa Public Health said the provincial Immunization of School Pupils Act gives them the power to suspend students until they can show they’ve been immunized.

The city’s associate medical director of health said students who are potentially not immunized from certain diseases pose a threat to more than just themselves.

Edited April 17, 2014 by Guyser2

[WestCoastRunner]

There was the largest measles outbreak ever recorded in British Columbia in the Fraser Valley at 320 confirmed cases this year. They originated at a religious school who's affiliation with a church does not believe in vaccinations. It has even spread to Vancouver and other parts of the lower mainland. This has resulted in putting children's lives at risk and in fact, a school district in the lower mainland would not let children return to school unless they had shown proof of immunization.

[bush_cheney2004]

Here is another "Truther" website making up e-laws for Ontario. It's so clever, they even made a French language version of the fake law !

Immunization of School Pupils Act

Purpose of Act

2. The purpose of this Act is to increase the protection of the health of children against the diseases that are designated diseases under this Act. R.S.O. 1990, c. I.1, s. 2.

Duty of parent

3. (1) The parent of a pupil shall cause the pupil to complete the prescribed program of immunization in relation to each of the designated diseases. R.S.O. 1990, c. I.1, s. 3 (1).

Exception

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to the parent of a pupil in respect of the prescribed program of immunization in relation to a designated disease specified by a physician or a registered nurse in the extended class in a statement of medical exemption filed with the proper medical officer of health and, where the physician or registered nurse in the extended class has specified an effective time period, only during the effective time period. 2007, c. 10, Sched. E, s. 2.

Idem

(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to a parent who has filed a statement of conscience or religious belief with the proper medical officer of health. R.S.O. 1990, c. I.1, s. 3 (3).

Idem

(4) Subsection (1) does not apply to a parent who, before the coming into force of this section, has filed with the proper medical officer of health a statement of religious belief in the form prescribed before the coming into force of this section. R.S.O. 1990, c. I.1, s. 3 (4).

Offence

4. Every person who contravenes section 3 is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not more than $1,000. R.S.O. 1990, c. I.1, s. 4.

Certificate by M.O.H. as evidence

5. In proceedings under section 4, a certificate by a medical officer of health as to whether or not he or she has received a statement of medical exemption, a statement of conscience or religious belief or a statement of religious belief is admissible in evidence as proof in the absence of evidence to the contrary of the facts stated therein without proof of the appointment or signature of the medical officer of health. R.S.O. 1990, c. I.1, s. 5.

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90i01_e.htm

Exclusion From School

In the event of an outbreak or threatened outbreak of any vaccine preventable disease included in the Immunization School Pupils Act or Day Nurseries Act legislation, the medical officer of health may order any student or daycare attendee who is not immune, regardless of legal exemptions filed with the Health Unit, to be excluded from school or daycare. In this case, the child may not be able to attend school or daycare for two to three weeks or until the outbreak of disease has ended.

[Topaz]

This is another messy topic too, but one item that should be done are foreigners coming here to live, wasn't it a foreigner who showed up with measles, they should have to be vaccinated before allowing them in, is that done now? I don't know too many baby-boomers having their booster shots from all of these diseases.

[GostHacked]

I think we need to differentiate between a vaccination and an immunization. I think many are getting confused between the two.

An immunization against measles means you will never get the measles.

A flu vaccine MIGHT prevent me from getting the flu.

But not even the measles immunization is 100% effective.

[Boges]

But not even the measles immunization is 100% effective.

Which is why Herd Immunization is important. When you have people that don't bother getting the shot, then those people where the immunization isn't as effective are at risk.

[Accountability Now]

But not even the measles immunization is 100% effective.

Yes...you're right. Take a look at this study on the 2011 outbreak (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/207/6/990.full.pdf+html). The largest outbreak in this group started with a guy who actually had been vaccinated with a single dose (not the double dose). In fact, of the 725 affected people, 23% of them had been vaccinated.

[guyser]

As BC pointed out, not only is it not acceptable, it's illegal.

Makes two people wrong, one since corrected,

[bush_cheney2004]

God...what a circus...here is the Ontario form to fill out to beat the immunization police:

http://vran.org/wp-content/documents/VRAN-Statement%20of%20Conscience%20or%20Religious%20Belief%20Affidavit.pdf

http://canadianawareness.org/2013/05/dont-vaccinate-your-child-fill-out-vaccination-exemption-form/

Edited April 17, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[Boges]

So BC are you an anti-vaxer?

[bush_cheney2004]

So BC are you an anti-vaxer?

No, but I respect the rights of others to refuse immunizations if they so choose.

[Argus]

No, but I respect the rights of others to refuse immunizations if they so choose.

Me too, just so long as they stay well away from me or anyone who will ever come into contact with me.

Their religious rights, or paranoid rights, do not trump my right to being healthy.

[Bryan]

Their religious rights, or paranoid rights, do not trump my right to being healthy.

Most of them would use almost the same wording regarding their right not to vaccinate.

[bush_cheney2004]

Me too, just so long as they stay well away from me or anyone who will ever come into contact with me.

Their religious rights, or paranoid rights, do not trump my right to being healthy.

Technically, they do. You do not have a right to "being healthy"....health care is not even a "right". What I find most amusing about this entire thread is the original (and usual) reference to anti-vaxer "evangelicals" and "Jenny", while there has long been an existing legal framework in at least one Canadian province to avoid such immunizations for over 20 years.