eyeball Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 This is, in essence, the problem with the Left, with why so many roll their eyes at the NDP. We all know they want to make the world a better place. We all know they're well-meaning. Most of us also know their pie-in-the-sky social policies tend to screw things up much more often than they improve them. Yeah well, the problem with so many of you on the right is that you're just plain wrong especially about the difference between justice and vengeance. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 Why would you think they would bother? It's part of their job. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 Yeah well, the problem with so many of you on the right is that you're just plain wrong especially about the difference between justice and vengeance. I've observed most of the 'justice' given out by a fairly leftish system over the past thirty years, and prescious little of it sounds like it's just. The degree of punishment should be commenserate with the harm caused by a criminals' actions. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 I'd be happy with a 25 years sentence with no parole ....meaning 25 years with no parole.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 I've observed most of the 'justice' given out by a fairly leftish system over the past thirty years, and prescious little of it sounds like it's just. You've also observed a lot of fairly rightish policies increase the income disparity that leads to crime over the last 30 years. The degree of punishment should be commenserate with the harm caused by a criminals' actions. I agree. Executives and politicians who exchange favours that increase income disparity should be shot. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
cybercoma Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 If [the SCC] say something it is law and can never be changed or overridden by a democratically elected government. Except for the notwithstanding clause, which let's a democratically elected government override SCC decisions. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 Defending the charter is one thing, using the charter to carry out their own ideological goals is quite another. There is nothing in the charter which relates to this decision. Yet, here we are with a 7-0 decision delivered by one of the Harper-appointed justices. Quote
Wilber Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) I disagree that our Supreme Court is either prejudiced or unqualified. Of the current 8 members of the court, one was appointed by the Progressive Conservative Mulroney, one by the Liberal Chretien, one by the Liberal Martin and five by the Conservative Harper. Their individual resumes are as impressive as they can get and the selection process as impartial and responsible as possible. I think it is misinformed to see them as “unelected patronage appointees of little demonstrated wisdom or experience.” As to their decisions, I suggest that if they are “dumb” or “brilliant” depends on the individual political bias of the evaluator. I have watched some cases being argued in front of that court and have full confidence in its ability to render impartial decisions based on our Constitution and Charter of Rights. To say they are unprejudiced is a bit naive IMO. They are after all, products of the system they and others like them produced. It would be natural for them to resist anything that they think might limit the judiciary's power.. Edited April 14, 2014 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WWWTT Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 Well, they may think so, but no, it's not. If the SC judges want to improve society let them quit and join a social services agency. Oh no, that's way beneath them! They have to be making big bucks and be in big control! That's the down side to lifetime appointments, arrogance! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 Except for the notwithstanding clause, which let's a democratically elected government override SCC decisions. Someone's on the ball today! I forgot about that one. Quebec uses it for language privilege, but not without it's controversy. I'll check and see if the SCC ever weighed in on that one and get back. Thanks WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
TimG Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) Yet, here we are with a 7-0 decision delivered by one of the Harper-appointed justices.Harper can only appoint from the pool of judges and that limits his options. And, as we see with the Nadon reference the out of touch legal elite protects its own turf from PMs that would like influence the court in directions that they do not approve of. Edited April 14, 2014 by TimG Quote
TimG Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 Except for the notwithstanding clause, which let's a democratically elected government override SCC decisions.The constitution can be changed too but that does not make it a practical solution to deal with a court that far over stepping it bounds and interfering with administration issues. Quote
WWWTT Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) Here's a good link and follow up to what cybercoma earlier brought up! http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEViUVS01TbwYApOEXFwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBybnV2cXQwBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1397603222/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.mapleleafweb.com%2ffeatures%2fnotwithstanding-clause-section-33-charter/RK=0/RS=rYQq_zNnJkVezjhsCMFYXbiHxJA- http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEViUVS01TbwYApuEXFwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByODJtaWUzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1397603222/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.parl.gc.ca%2fContent%2fLOP%2fresearchpublications%2fbp194-e.htm/RK=0/RS=mcbjo5At_QqgjgGcmleuDUGW6d8- Section 33 has a unique character/history/persona and I highly recommend reading the entire link! Thanks for bringing this up cyber, if anyone here is really interested in this thread, this link is a must!!! WWWTT Had to edit the links because the old one went "403" on me! Again! Hopefully these stay fresh for a while. Edited April 15, 2014 by WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
waldo Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 Harper can only appoint from the pool of judges and that limits his options. And, as we see with the Nadon reference the out of touch legal elite protects its own turf from PMs that would like influence the court in directions that they do not approve of. oh my! Even when Harper accepts the counseled advice for the best candidate, apparently, to you, the pool is so skewed that "real Conservative" leaning judges can't be found. The Nadon appointment simply reflects his candidacy didn't meet the basic residency/practicing requirements. Quote
WWWTT Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 The constitution can be changed too but that does not make it a practical solution to deal with a court that far over stepping it bounds and interfering with administration issues. Change by who? Harper and the conservatives? Good luck with that one! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
guyser Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 And, as we see with the Nadon reference the out of touch legal elite protects its own turf from PMs that would like influence the court in directions that they do not approve of.Really? The only one out of touch was dear leader, any other options are not present. Harper + Co goofed big time. Quote
Argus Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 Except for the notwithstanding clause, which let's a democratically elected government override SCC decisions. Some of them, for a time. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 Yet, here we are with a 7-0 decision delivered by one of the Harper-appointed justices. As I've said on a number of occasions, whoever is in charge of vetting appointments for Harper ought to be dragged out to an ice flow, which is then set free on on its merry journey far away. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 As I've said on a number of occasions, whoever is in charge of vetting appointments for Harper ought to be dragged out to an ice flow, which is then set free on on its merry journey far away. No kidding. Harper has made some pretty terrible appointments. Quote
Argus Posted April 15, 2014 Report Posted April 15, 2014 No kidding. Harper has made some pretty terrible appointments. You ain't seen nothin yet. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/former-conservative-public-safety-minister-vic-toews-named-to-manitoba-court/article17368609/#dashboard/follows/ Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
The_Squid Posted April 15, 2014 Report Posted April 15, 2014 You ain't seen nothin yet. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/former-conservative-public-safety-minister-vic-toews-named-to-manitoba-court/article17368609/#dashboard/follows/ If Toews to the SC occurs, it's an extremely slimy move. Quote
eyeball Posted April 15, 2014 Report Posted April 15, 2014 Kinda makes you wish for the opportunity to vote on the appointment doesn't it? Or are Canadians too lazy to assume a greater responsibility for their governance? Yeah that must be it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Keepitsimple Posted April 15, 2014 Report Posted April 15, 2014 You ain't seen nothin yet. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/former-conservative-public-safety-minister-vic-toews-named-to-manitoba-court/article17368609/#dashboard/follows/ Maybe finally - finally - Harper will start stacking the Supreme Court in his favour ......after all, he was accused for years of having that "hidden agenda" that included stacking the Court......but I wouldn't hold your breath. The article is pure speculation.....and the comments by DeLloyd Guth are pretty biased. His name reeks of privilege and entitlement.....I know - that's a biased remark but hey, DeLloyd Guth? Quote Back to Basics
cybercoma Posted April 15, 2014 Report Posted April 15, 2014 Harper can only appoint from the pool of judges and that limits his options. And, as we see with the Nadon reference the out of touch legal elite protects its own turf from PMs that would like influence the court in directions that they do not approve of. Out-of-touch legal elites? You've got to be kidding. Harper appoints a judge for Québec that has absolutely no experience with the Civil Code and it's the "legal elites" that are out of touch? Just because you're skeptical of the educated and informed, doesn't mean you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel with your own comments. Quote
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