Michael Hardner Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 Kraychik - I think calling somebody a 'slave' in an insult... you should probably tone it down. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
kraychik Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 Kraychik - I think calling somebody a 'slave' in an insult... you should probably tone it down. You're right. Probably some racial connotations, too. Thank God you're here.
G Huxley Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) If Kraychik wants to call me a slave he has the right to do so. I don't mind. What he doesn't have the right to do is to pay without limit for the mass dissemination of propaganda calling me a slave for partisan political purposes. That's not free speech. That's mass propaganda. Moreover the slave slur illustrates his thinking towards the masses whose minds he considers is just something to buy and turn into actual slaves. The 'slave owner' mentality. Regarding the Paine analogy it falls, because the original discussion was about TV and radio ads. TV and radio is different than print culture in that it is a medium which monopolizes attention without choice, as such it has been the favourite method of propaganda for totalitarian regimes such as Hitler's Germany for their propaganda.* *I use TV in a broad sense to include film as well in this regards. Actually television was pioneered in Nazi Germany (see the documentary Television Under the Swastika), but the number of television sets were very low during the Third Reich. Edited August 22, 2015 by G Huxley
kraychik Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) I have faith in those you contemptuously refer to as "the masses". I don't feel the need to protect what you perceive as their feeble minds from propaganda. At least you're on the record now, officially, that you want state control of political expression and criminalization of its manifestations that aren't approved by the state. Thanks for coming out. I like clarity. Edited August 22, 2015 by kraychik
Michael Hardner Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 If Kraychik wants to call me a slave he has the right to do so. I agree, if you mean saying so in public to your face or phoning you to tell you. He doesn't have the "right" to insult on here. Edit: actually, maybe 'willing slaves' is a metaphor... I suppose it could be used generally without insulting anybody... ok, I'm waffling... Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
G Huxley Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) He should have a right to call me a slave on here. It only makes his own position look bad. The real irony is that he called me and other Canadians slaves to Ottawa and guess who is in Ottawa? The government which he supports. Which would make him be the supporter of a slave regime. Quite the gaffe eh Kray? Edited August 22, 2015 by G Huxley
kraychik Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 I agree, if you mean saying so in public to your face or phoning you to tell you. He doesn't have the "right" to insult on here. Edit: actually, maybe 'willing slaves' is a metaphor... I suppose it could be used generally without insulting anybody... ok, I'm waffling... What would we do without you? Thank you for protecting us delicate flowers from offensive posts. Are you this interesting in the real world, or is it an online exclusive?
Michael Hardner Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 Are you this interesting in the real world, or is it an online exclusive? No, I'm about this interesting. Those who love dry humour usually laugh within the first hour of meeting me. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
G Huxley Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Kraychik the masses are fickle. This is proven. If they weren't you wouldn't be defending the right to manipulate them through the mass dissemination of political propanda on the airwaves. That's science and logic all in one for you buddy. Regarding your other statement. It's pure hysterics. All airwaves are regulated by the government. That's how channels and stations are accorded. Edited August 22, 2015 by G Huxley
kraychik Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 Kraychik the masses are fickle. This is proven. If they weren't you wouldn't be defending the right to manipulate them through the dissemination of political propanda on the airwaves. That's science and logic all in one for you buddy. Regarding your other statement it's pure hysterics. All airwaves are regulated by the government. That's how channels and stations are accorded. I love the unearned arrogance of leftists who refer to "the masses" with contempt. You're an undiscovered god among men. Thankfully the heavens have delivered you to us to guide us plebs to the promised land.
G Huxley Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Actually I am defending the masses (you and myself included) from being brainwashed by the dissemination of mass political propaganda on the airwaves. Edited August 22, 2015 by G Huxley
Big Guy Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 Just curious - did you come to this subsection of the forum asking for disciplinary action to be taken by the forum moderator(s) against bush_cheney2004? I have never reported anyone for anything nor do I block any particular poster. One of the reasons that I am staying for now is that human behaviour fascinates me. There are two posters in particular here who are great studies in what kinds of individuals are drawn to anonymous public access boards and why they use them to insult and agitate others. Because of the number and frequency of their postings, they both obviously spend hours a day reading through other peoples attempts to share their individual views and revel in trying to demean them or derail the message. There are other passionate personalities here who have backed themselves into a philosophical and political corner and have locked themselves into redundancy of reply. Personally, I scan the threads for the names of the posters. If there are one of two whose opinions I respect then I read their contributions - the rest I ignore. For a few other posters, I read them in fascination of someone trying to rationalize some really bizarre views of our world and excuses for their distasteful views. Thank you for your interest in my participation. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted August 22, 2015 Author Report Posted August 22, 2015 The term "neocon" is American in origin and history, so it really doesn't apply to Canadian politics anyway. Reject it as "American style". Come now. You must surely be aware that the gravest insult to those on the Left is to compare someone to an American conservative. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 22, 2015 Author Report Posted August 22, 2015 IPersonally, I scan the threads for the names of the posters. If there are one of two whose opinions I respect then I read their contributions - the rest I ignore. For a few other posters, I read them in fascination of someone trying to rationalize some really bizarre views of our world and excuses for their distasteful views. I'm sure we're all amazed that someone of your amazing ego can even find one or two posters whose opinions you respect... "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 To B_C2004 - I have re-read your post to check that perhaps I missed your reasons for going out of your way to irritate posters or to make them uncomfortable and take pleasure in the process. The closest I have come to an answer is your "Thank you for those kind words. If exposing sanctimonious falsehoods and delusions to the discomfort of reality is not healthy, then I will surely be dead in short order." So the way I read that, since you have targeted almost everybody on this board, that the vast majority of posters present "sanctimonious falsehoods" and are "delusional". And you feel it is your duty to expose them to the discomfort and irritation of those posters. And you also feel that this train of thought and attitude is psychologically healthy. Please correct me if I misread or misquote your responses. I just want to make sure that I fully understand your rationale for posting 38,000 times on an anonymous public access bulletin board. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 To B_C2004 - I have re-read your post to check that perhaps I missed your reasons for going out of your way to irritate posters or to make them uncomfortable and take pleasure in the process. ...I just want to make sure that I fully understand your rationale for posting 38,000 times on an anonymous public access bulletin board. Thank you for your continued interest and fascination with my membership and post count. However, this is at least the third time you have returned to the well after abandoning me to my unhealthy mental illness demise. Please keep your promise to me and other members who recognize this off topic badgering and purposeful irritation for what it is. Please consider visiting the forum archives to read all my 38,000+ posts to get a full and complete understanding of my "rationale". Or wait for my new book...."People Who Post On Mapleleafweb.com and the People Who Love Them". Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted August 22, 2015 Report Posted August 22, 2015 I will take that response to mean that you choose not to explain why you take pleasure in creating displeasure in others. The state of your mind and the reasons for your actions will remain with you. So be it. That is obviously your right. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) Come now. You must surely be aware that the gravest insult to those on the Left is to compare someone to an American conservative. I think that applies to any political party or candidate in Canada. It is the Canuck way to try to define many things...a common language with America as the foil. A CBC story today called NDP's left-most loonies a "Tea Party for the left" and great risk to Mulcair's PM goals. Very common thing on this forum.... Edited August 23, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 I'm sure we're all amazed that someone of your amazing ego can even find one or two posters whose opinions you respect... Thank you for that opening. I have been looking for an opportunity to share my views on this issue; I have limited interests and tend to stay away from topics that I do not understand or in which I have little or no interest. My preference is also to limit myself to reading presentations of over 200 and less than 400 words (the usual restriction by publications for letters and essays from readers). If you cannot articulate a position in 400 or fewer words then you have not given it enough thought. I am especially interested in reading the views of: Mighty AC, Moonlight Graham, Derek 2.0, GostHacked, Accountability Now, kimmy, Army Guy and Michael Hardner and few others. That is my personal list. I note them especially because I do not necessarily agree with them but find their presentations generally informative, easily readable, civil and well researched. Many posters share very short responses and on topics which I do not understand but appear to be read by most so I assume that they too are contributing positively to the board. Most other posters do use the medium for positive ends although I feel a couple are allowing their passion to cloud their judgement and have lost interest in their views. At this time, I find only you and B_C2004 as irritants who add nothing towards my search for respectful, intelligent and worthwhile information. But that is only my opinion and you have already posted your disdain for my views and approach. Obviously, many others do not agree with me and continue to challenge and engage you and B_C2004 in varying degrees. Good for you, good for them. Me - I am no longer interested in discussing or sharing anything of value with either of you. Thank you again for the opportunity. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Smallc Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 I don't always agree with Argus, but he most certainly isn't a troll. If you don't learn something from him, you aren't trying and are being too closed minded. The same would go for Cybercoma, were he not on a constant quest to get banned.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 I think the moderator(s) have tried to communicate disinterest in specific topics or positions, but some members insist on going all drama queen up in here with their rants and personal attacks as if to bring special import to their passionate cause(s). It's just more noise. Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) I don't always agree with Argus, but he most certainly isn't a troll. If you don't learn something from him, you aren't trying and are being too closed minded. The same would go for Cybercoma, were he not on a constant quest to get banned. Cybercoma has some very strong and well researched views. I do occasionally read his/her presentations but a sense of frustration and negativism that I feel permeates those opinions tends to keep me from responding. You have your opinion and I have mine. You have your interests and acceptable level of discourse and I have mine. You are entitled to yours and I to mine. I am not suggesting that I am giving a majority, minority or speaking for anybody else. I am giving my personal opinion. Thank you for sharing yours but I have not changed mine. BTW - I do read many of your posted views and find them interesting but you tend to parse your responses. It is a valid and common method of rebuttal but that is a process I am not comfortable with and subsequently do not join in. Edited August 23, 2015 by Big Guy Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 I think the moderator(s) have tried to communicate disinterest in specific topics or positions, but some members insist on going all drama queen up in here with their rants and personal attacks as if to bring special import to their passionate cause(s). It's just more noise. Either that or they just tire of trolling.
waldo Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 I will take that response to mean that you choose not to explain why you take pleasure in creating displeasure in others. The state of your mind and the reasons for your actions will remain with you. "the American" presumes upon the displeasure he inflicts... I suggest that most view the ongoing overt and purposeful trolling as nothing more than an intrusion that is purposely intended to derail threads and legitimate active/ongoing discussion; that is purposely intended to bury the posts of members (many involving significant research by members), so as to limit their view towards encouraging legitimate discussion. To many, those actions of "the American" don't manifest themselves as inflicted displeasure as much as resentment, much of it built up over time. A resentment to the fact the moderator of this board refuses to act against overt trolling... a resentment to the fact the moderator has little respect for the board rule against trolling... a resentment to the fact the moderator refuses to justify, to qualify why he either interprets no trolling exists... or why he refuses to address it. .
socialist Posted August 23, 2015 Report Posted August 23, 2015 Personally, I see absolutely nothing wrong with BC's posts. I don't think a majority can understand the points he makes, so in their simple minds it coms across as trolling. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
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