BC Teachers Getting Screwed...Again

[socialist]

I'm glad you spent 34 seconds looking up the marginal tax rates, but you probably should have taken another few minutes plugging in the numbers. Especially before taking such a pompous and arrogant tone in your post.

The statement I made should be clear enough: individuals in BC earning up to $122,000 pay the lowest tax rates in Canada. Beyond $122K other provinces do have a tax advantage, but since the average Canadian earns $48,250 per year, it's not an issue for most.

Here are the numbers.

Income: $122,000

Province Prov Tax Fed Tax Prov Surtax Total AVG Rate

BC $10,250 $23,530 $0 $33,780 27.69%

Alberta $10,441 $23,530 $0 $33,971 27.84%

Ontario $ 9,906 $23,530 $2,714 $36,150 29.63%

Sask $13,325 $23,500 $0 $36,855 30.21%

​Income: $48,250

Province Prov Tax Fed Tax Prov Surtax Total AVG Rate

BC $ 2,203 $ 5,910 $0 $ 8,114 16.82%

Ontario $ 2,303 $ 5,910 $0 $ 8,213 17.02%

Alberta $ 3,066 $ 5,910 $0 $ 8,967 18.60%

Sask $ 3,738 $ 5,910 $0 $ 9,648 20.00%

Here is a link to the BC Ministry of finance page: http://www.fin.gov.bc.ca/tbs/tp/climate/A2.htm

Here is a link to provincial tax calculators, just plug the province name into the web address: http://incometax.calculatorscanada.ca/britishcolumbia

PCT 2017 just throws out lazy links to try to prove a point. It makes him look foolish.

[AngusThermopyle]

So far I've found PCT 2017 has been making good posts. On the other hand I find you just make lazy statements about others understanding of issues. Further you dismiss anything you disagree with out of hand. You ignore any information that contradicts your pre-conceived ideas and you casually insult all who do not agree with you. All in all I would say that PCT 2017 is a far superior poster to you.

[socialist]

So far I've found PCT 2017 has been making good posts. On the other hand I find you just make lazy statements about others understanding of issues. Further you dismiss anything you disagree with out of hand. You ignore any information that contradicts your pre-conceived ideas and you casually insult all who do not agree with you. All in all I would say that PCT 2017 is a far superior poster to you.

He is not superior. He is a typical teacher bashing troll who throws out links that have no meaning.

[The_Squid]

He is not superior. He is a typical teacher bashing troll who throws out links that have no meaning.

Shouldn't you be teaching the children??? LOL

[socialist]

13.5% over 3 years is COLA in BC. Can't believe how the neo-libs have it in for teachers. They will force teachers to strike and then watch the public demand better government.

http://www.news1130.com/2014/04/04/teachers-and-the-province-no-closer-to-reaching-agreement/?cid=dlvr.it

[guyser]

13.5% over 3 years is COLA in BC.

No it isnt.In fact COLA anywhere in Canada is not close to that.

Not even close, not to mention an educator would know where to look for those numbers.

[socialist]

No it isnt.In fact COLA anywhere in Canada is not close to that.

Not even close, not to mention an educator would know where to look for those numbers.

Anyways, they will meet somewhere in the middle which I guess is a decent deal for teachers. The neo-libs I think are getting the hint that the public is with the teachers and BCTF on this one.

Plus don't forget the Justice Griffin ruling. BCTF held their ground against the neo-libs.

[Shady]

I'm glad you spent 34 seconds looking up the marginal tax rates, but you probably should have taken another few minutes plugging in the numbers. Especially before taking such a pompous and arrogant tone in your post.

The statement I made should be clear enough: individuals in BC earning up to $122,000 pay the lowest tax rates in Canada. Beyond $122K other provinces do have a tax advantage, but since the average Canadian earns $48,250 per year, it's not an issue for most.

Here are the numbers.

Income: $122,000Province Prov Tax Fed Tax Prov Surtax Total AVG Rate

BC $10,250 $23,530 $0 $33,780 27.69%

Alberta $10,441 $23,530 $0 $33,971 27.84%

Ontario $ 9,906 $23,530 $2,714 $36,150 29.63%

Sask $13,325 $23,500 $0 $36,855 30.21%

​Income: $48,250Province Prov Tax Fed Tax Prov Surtax Total AVG Rate

BC $ 2,203 $ 5,910 $0 $ 8,114 16.82%

Ontario $ 2,303 $ 5,910 $0 $ 8,213 17.02%

Alberta $ 3,066 $ 5,910 $0 $ 8,967 18.60%

Sask $ 3,738 $ 5,910 $0 $ 9,648 20.00%Here is a link to the BC Ministry of finance page: http://www.fin.gov.bc.ca/tbs/tp/climate/A2.htm

Here is a link to provincial tax calculators, just plug the province name into the web address: http://incometax.calculatorscanada.ca/britishcolumbia

What about BC's health care premiums?

[socialist]

Here's the latest. the government really has it in for teachers. The first comment after the article is a must read for those who don't understand how many unpaid hours educators dedicate to students.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/bc-teachers-initial-strike-action-poses-safety-issues-for-students-says-government-negotiator/article17840273/

Edited April 5, 2014 by socialist

[Bryan]

13.5% over 3 years is COLA in BC. Can't believe how the neo-libs have it in for teachers. They will force teachers to strike and then watch the public demand better government.

http://www.news1130.com/2014/04/04/teachers-and-the-province-no-closer-to-reaching-agreement/?cid=dlvr.it

Most of the people whose taxes are paying for those salaries won't see raises like that. Thanks for taking away any doubt that this really is about teachers being greedy, and has nothing to do with educating children.

[WestCoastRunner]

Most of the people whose taxes are paying for those salaries won't see raises like that. Thanks for taking away any doubt that this really is about teachers being greedy, and has nothing to do with educating children.

I don't find the 13.5 per cent wage increase over three years unreasonable at all. In the private sector, in a professional capacity, you could expect at least that much. To expect to be paid a seven percent increase over 10 years, which is being offered by the BCPSEA seems quite low for a professional. If we want to attract good teachers to teach our kids, lets pay them a comparable wage that is being paid in the private sector for a professional. It's not about teachers being greedy. That statement is really painting a broad negative stroke against the teachers in BC. My kids went to school in BC. They certainly did not come across as greedy to me.

[socialist]

I don't find the 13.5 per cent wage increase over three years unreasonable at all. In the private sector, in a professional capacity, you could expect at least that much. To expect to be paid a seven percent increase over 10 years, which is being offered by the BCPSEA seems quite low for a professional. If we want to attract good teachers to teach our kids, lets pay them a comparable wage that is being paid in the private sector for a professional. It's not about teachers being greedy. That statement is really painting a broad negative stroke against the teachers in BC. My kids went to school in BC. They certainly did not come across as greedy to me.

Thank you for bringing some common sense and facts to this thread.

[WestCoastRunner]

Well, you are right. It really does come down to common sense. Teachers are parents as well, who support families and they are constantly upgrading their skills as any other professional and expect to be paid for their education and experience.

[WestCoastRunner]

Some of these responses make it seem like because they are 'teachers' they should sacrifice their wages and not expect to be paid comparable to professionals because they teach 'children'. Children are some of our most precious assets. Let's hope they get educated by the best teachers we can find.

[Bryan]

In the private sector, in a professional capacity, you could expect at least that much.

They aren't in the private sector.

[WestCoastRunner]

They aren't in the private sector.

I get that. Your point?

[Bryan]

I get that. Your point?

If you get it, why did you bring it up?

[WestCoastRunner]

I get they aren't in the private sector. they are public employees, teaching our kids. And they deserve to be paid just as much as other professional occupations. Do you not want your kids to be taught by the best teachers we can hire in BC?

[Bryan]

I get they aren't in the private sector. they are public employees, teaching our kids. And they deserve to be paid just as much as other professional occupations. Do you not want your kids to be taught by the best teachers we can hire in BC?

They don't "deserve" anything. They are already being paid very well by other people's tax dollars. You want them to make more, you pay them out of your own pocket, stop trying to take it out of others people's.

[Shady]

I don't find the 13.5 per cent wage increase over three years unreasonable at all. In the private sector, in a professional capacity, you could expect at least that much. To expect to be paid a seven percent increase over 10 years, which is being offered by the BCPSEA seems quite low for a professional. If we want to attract good teachers to teach our kids, lets pay them a comparable wage that is being paid in the private sector for a professional. It's not about teachers being greedy. That statement is really painting a broad negative stroke against the teachers in BC. My kids went to school in BC. They certainly did not come across as greedy to me.

13.% isn't just unreasonable, it's obscene. And no, most professions in the private sector don't see that kind of increase in the salaries. You're living in a fantasy land.

I'm getting sick of the whining from teachers everywhere. They get paid well, they have unbelievable pensions and benefits, and they get almost 3 months vacation each year. If you don't like that, than find another job that you think will pay you more, give you better benefits, and more time off. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a teacher.

[Michael Hardner]

I don't find the 13.5 per cent wage increase over three years unreasonable at all. In the private sector, in a professional capacity, you could expect at least that much. To expect to be paid a seven percent increase over 10 years, which is being offered by the BCPSEA seems quite low for a professional. If we want to attract good teachers to teach our kids, lets pay them a comparable wage that is being paid in the private sector for a professional.

Can I have a cite that says which "professionals" are getting those increase ?

[Michael Hardner]

They don't "deserve" anything. They are already being paid very well by other people's tax dollars.

The "other people" part is kind of a dodge isn't it ? An economy means everybody sells their wares... so...

But by entering the arena where you fight over the valour of a job, you already lose. Your worth is determine by the market, and in some cases the market in protected by politics. This is one of those cases.

I think that teachers should be paid as professionals, and their salary will be whatever they can negotiate. However, I think that they should negotiate less than 13.5%. In fact, they could make political points AND ensure long term support by limiting salary increases to professional industry standards, and using the resulting bargaining chips from that to negotiate better conditions, and a better system overall.

[socialist]

Can I have a cite that says which "professionals" are getting those increase ?

Look no further than the reedy corportists who are in bed with the neo-liberals.

[Michael Hardner]

Look no further than the reedy corportists who are in bed with the neo-liberals.

Very lyrical, but not a cite.

[socialist]

Very lyrical, but not a cite.

Well maybe you need to understand what is at play here with the neo-liberals slowly destroying education. I don't think you understand the magnitude of what is happening. Read this for understanding.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2013/07/the-liberal-education-reform-revolt/