ASIP Posted March 4, 2014 Report Posted March 4, 2014 Gentlemen, As a Ukrainian, I see a lot of misunderstanding of the current situation in (the) Ukraine, including this forum. I can answer any question regarding the subject. As for this topic, Obama must force Russia to obey conditions of Budapest Memorandum of 1994. If Putin prevails, you can forget about nuclear proliferation. Every country will have a moral right to possess nuclear weapons. It will be a blow to US credibility. I also believe in US administration sincere support of the right of Ukrainian people to boot a dictator and decide on own destiny. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted March 4, 2014 Report Posted March 4, 2014 Gentlemen, There are women here too. What are your credentials, besides being a Ukranian. Do you live in Cremea or in the U.S., Canada? How close are you to the situation? What do you see as misunderstanding on this board? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
ASIP Posted March 4, 2014 Report Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Sorry for not mentioning ladies. I live in Canada for many years. I was born and lived in (the) Ukraine for much more years. Of course, I cannot be a reporter. My and my wife's relatives are all living in (the) Ukraine. My 22-year old nephew is an active participant of some events. I keep tracking the situation through Internet. Sure, I cannot know everything, but I think it's still much better than sometimes pure fantasies of some posters. As for my credentials - I do not answer such a question. You ask, I answer, you decide my credential, I do not care. I've participated in this forum for many years under a different user name, just lost my password. There are lots of misunderstanding here, e.g., root causes of the events, legality of the current Ukrainian government, situation in Crimea, history... Actually, I see rare cases when assessment is correct. However, general perception of this crisis among posters here is right. This a fight between the Soviet-style regime and democratic trends in a society. Edited March 5, 2014 by ASIP Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 Do you have relatives in Cremea? I understand concerns of the legality of the ukrainian govt. Do you support the PM that was just released from prison? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
ASIP Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 [i do not know why I cannot quote] No, I have no relatives in Crimea. What do you want to know about Crimea? No, I do not support Yulia Timoshenko. In my opinion, she belongs to prison. But in the same way as the former president Yanukovich and many, many other top bosses of several previous governments. However, I accept, her trial by Yanukovich was not fair. I support her release, but hope for a trial. I am very suspicious of her. Although, her latest actions, even in prison, were good (IMHO). Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 How is your nephew an active participant? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
ASIP Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 In the way I understand words "active" and "participant". He was (is) not just a spectator. I am afraid, we are drifting towards discussing personal information. Quote
Wilber Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 Gentlemen,As a Ukrainian, I see a lot of misunderstanding of the current situation in (the) Ukraine, including this forum. I can answer any question regarding the subject. As for this topic, Obama must force Russia to obey conditions of Budapest Memorandum of 1994. If Putin prevails, you can forget about nuclear proliferation. Every country will have a moral right to possess nuclear weapons. It will be a blow to US credibility. I also believe in US administration sincere support of the right of Ukrainian people to boot a dictator and decide on own destiny. There is nothing the West can do militarily. All its options are economic and political. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
ASIP Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 To Wilber, Exactly. More over, the Western Europe has limited options here. Problem is, at what point a bully must be stopped. Parallels with Hitler's actions are striking. Quote
Wilber Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 To Wilber, Exactly. More over, the Western Europe has limited options here. Problem is, at what point a bully must be stopped. Parallels with Hitler's actions are striking. When the Soviets walked into Hungary in 56, Eisenhower was president. When they walked into Czechoslovakia in 68, Johnson was president. No military action by the west followed either. Like then, the Russians cannot be stopped militarily without a major conflict that would probably extend beyond the Ukraine. Putin is a thug and a bully but he is not Hitler. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
The_Squid Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 For all the outrage in 2008, Russian troops are still in Georgia.... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 Well the news you got was wrong. Russian troops are still there in possession of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. That is correct. They used the Georgian invasion as a reason to go in. Quote
ASIP Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 Sorry Wilber, In the essence, Putin is Hitler. Goals (assembling an empire) and methods (using nation's humiliation after a lost war and darkest human instincts) are the same. The Putin's propaganda machine has been compared to Goebbels'. The difference is Hitler was honest, Putin is not. Yes, Putin does not have racial madness. Actually, Putin compares himself to Stalin. This would be more accurate comparison. (All is IMHO, of course). Quote
ASIP Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 On Guard for Thee, There was no "Georgian invasion", there was the same old "Russian citizen safety" pretext. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 America has no moral high ground...it has interests. Voters understand this, and act accordingly, depending on their perspective and motives. No matter who is elected to Congress in 2014 or to the presidency in 2016, American interests will follow. What nonsense. Even you don't believe this. Voters don't understand, they don't want to understand. They want to be told they're better than the rest of the world which is why their corrupt politicians tell them lies and why they buy the product of a corrupt media that parrots them. And that's why international politics are hopelessly hypocritical. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) What nonsense. Even you don't believe this. Not only do I believe it, so apparently do many Canadians, looking so keenly to understand and even participate in a foreign country's election cycle and resulting political leadership. That would be hard to believe if I didn't witness it here myself over the past 8 years. The latest "moral high ground" decision is for a bitumen pipeline ! (not Ukraine) Edited March 5, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 Not only do I believe it, so apparently do many Canadians, looking so keenly to understand and even participate in a foreign country's election cycle and resulting political leadership. That would be hard to believe if I didn't witness it here myself over the past 8 years. The latest "moral high ground" decision is for a bitumen pipeline ! Hello, this thread is supposed to be about the Ukraine and American elections. I know you can't keep your hands off Canada and it's one size fits all healthcare system, but this thread isn't about that. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 Hello, this thread is supposed to be about the Ukraine and American elections. I know you can't keep your hands off Canada and it's one size fits all healthcare system, but this thread isn't about that. Then please pay better attention....the American election cycle will be completed by Americans...not Canada or Ukraine. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 In the essence, Putin is Hitler. Oh gawd.... Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
On Guard for Thee Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 Then please pay better attention....the American election cycle will be completed by Americans...not Canada or Ukraine. Well that;s the most accurate post I've ever seen of yours. Congrats. Quote
dre Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 Well that;s the most accurate post I've ever seen of yours. Congrats. Yes firm grasp of the obvious from our resident wierdo Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
On Guard for Thee Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 Yes firm grasp of the obvious from our resident wierdo But wait, hang on, perhaps we should persue the concept. For instance, next US election we let The Ukraine cast the votes. Then after that comes Canada and we ship our ballotts to Lithuania for casting (well assuming we can get a ship going by then) And then after that we could let Italy's vote's be cast by...Bolivia. I think we are onto something here. And hats off to BC. Quote
Argus Posted March 5, 2014 Author Report Posted March 5, 2014 That is correct. They used the Georgian invasion as a reason to go in. They actually provoked the Georgians in turn through their catspaws in the local separatist groups. The Georgians didn't just take it into their minds one day to go into what were then semi-autonomous regions, you know. They were responding to armed violence from those regions on their neighboring territories. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 Then please pay better attention....the American election cycle will be completed by Americans...not Canada or Ukraine. The American election cycle is non stop. You are either having elections or campaigning for the next one. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Shady Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 LOL These are not just their neighbors. The people of Crimea are Russians that got caught on the wrong side of an arbitrary line drawn on a map. Maybe a little research is in order before you condemn millions of people to suffer huh? Well then, Russia shouldn't have agreed to said map lines in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons. Quote
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