Democrats Side With Illegal Immigrants Over Veterans

[Shady]

This is another example of the ridiculousness of the Democrat party, and another example as to why they could never be trusted with a single-payer health care system in the United States. They'd quickly turn America into the world's hospitlal bankrupting an already strained social safety net.

Senate Republicans were unable to stop military pension cuts when Senate Democrats blocked a
vote on an amendment to prevent the cuts by closing a welfare loophole for illegal immigrants Tuesday evening.

The two-year budget deal brokered by Senate Budget Committee Chairwoman Patty Murray and House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, would cut military pensions by $6 billion over ten years, leaving some Senate Republicans scrambling to stop the cuts.

“Removing this unbalanced treatment of our military retirees ought to be one of the key actions we should take before this legislation moves forward. In fact, greater savings than this can be achieved by passing a legislative fix recommended by the Inspector General of the U.S. Treasury that would stop the IRS from improperly providing tax credits to illegal immigrants.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/18/senate-dems-block-amendment-to-restore-veteran-benefits-by-closing-illegal-immigrant-welfare-loophole/

They're already in huge trouble over the Obamacare debacle, and instances like this will take them further out of the mainstream. Another wave mid-term election is possible.

[bush_cheney2004]

Well, the 2014 election campaign ads will certainly be easier to write, because they can write themselves, complete with lots of incriminating promises on video. Favoring illegals over retired veterans will not play well in Peoria.

[waldo]

This is another example of the ridiculousness of the Democrat party, and another example as to why they could never be trusted with a single-payer health care system in the United States. They'd quickly turn America into the world's hospitlal bankrupting an already strained social safety net.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/18/senate-dems-block-amendment-to-restore-veteran-benefits-by-closing-illegal-immigrant-welfare-loophole/

They're already in huge trouble over the Obamacare debacle, and instances like this will take them further out of the mainstream. Another wave mid-term election is possible.

notwithstanding your reeediculous fixation with U.S. domestic concerns, how doubly fixated are you that you include multiple unrelated references to Ocare?

you must have felt emboldened shifting this from your status update into a full thread! As I said in my status update reply, this is the same "budget deal" bill... the Republican House Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan's bill... that was passed in the House, where 169 Republicans voted for it. And yet, to you, this becomes the, "ridiculousness of the Democrat party"!

let me raise your "dailycaller" sourced link with one from, no less than, "RedState" --- Paul Ryan & the GOP Must Own the Cuts to Veterans Benefits

Republicans in the Senate want to restore veterans benefits to the Paul Ryan – Patty Murray Budget plan.

Harry Reid is blocking the amendment so Republicans are blaming Harry Reid for cutting veterans benefits.

That is intellectually dishonest of the GOP.

Paul Ryan, a Republican, drafted the plan with Patty Murray, a Democrat.

House Republicans overwhelming approved the plan before it even made it to Harry Reid for a vote. The Republicans could have restored the cuts themselves in the House. Instead, they voted for the plan with the cuts to veterans benefits and went home.

Were Harry Reid to restore the cuts, he’d need to get the House back from Christmas vacation.

Republicans are going to have to own this. Paul Ryan drafted it. John Boehner pushed it through and didn’t give even the 72 hours he promised he’d give for people to look through his legislation. Maybe had John Boehner spent more time reading through the legislation instead of blasting conservatives for opposing cuts to veterans’ benefits and tax increases he could have done something.

Veterans, including veterans disabled due to war injuries, are going to get screwed in the legislation.

This is not Harry Reid’s fault. This is Paul Ryan’s fault, John Boehner’s fault, and the House Republicans’ fault. They rushed the plan through without fixing it. To blame Harry Reid for what they themselves did is just crass partisan politics.

[bleeding heart]

Yeah, but Obamacare!

(And, for the sake of another esteemed poster: Canada!)

[guyser]

Another waldo take em out behind the woodshed and school them.

Someone has a teflon bottom to be spanked that many times and still chirping.

[bush_cheney2004]

Please try to stay on topic. Personal attacks are not permitted.

[Shady]

notwithstanding your reeediculous fixation with U.S. domestic concerns, how doubly fixated are you that you include multiple unrelated references to Ocare?

you must have felt emboldened shifting this from your status update into a full thread! As I said in my status update reply, this is the same "budget deal" bill... the Republican House Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan's bill... that was passed in the House, where 169 Republicans voted for it. And yet, to you, this becomes the, "ridiculousness of the Democrat party"!

let me raise your "dailycaller" sourced link with one from, no less than, "RedState" --- Paul Ryan & the GOP Must Own the Cuts to Veterans Benefits

LOL! Blame the Republicans for a budget item Democrats insisted upon, and that Republicans tried to amend in the legislative process but were blocked from Democrats. Classic!!

[Shady]

Please try to stay on topic. Personal attacks are not permitted.

He seems a bit dense. He takes his act to each thread. Oh well, his post is inaccurate anyways.

[waldo]

LOL! Blame the Republicans for a budget item Democrats insisted upon, and that Republicans tried to amend in the legislative process but were blocked from Democrats. Classic!!

as always, you don't know what you're talking about! Read the RedState linked article/quoted extract... your trumped-up bluster won't prevail!

but hey now: Senate vote just in a few minutes ago... the bill that passed in the Republican controlled House has also now passed in the U.S. Senate, with 9 Republicans voting for it: Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Susan Collins (Maine), Orrin G. Hatch (Utah), John Hoeven (N.D.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.), Ronald Johnson (Wis.), John McCain (Ariz.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Rob Portman (Ohio).

I'm so confused... all the ShadyFluster&Bluster over the need for pension reform... apparently, that doesn't extend in this case! Wonder why? How about some perspective, particularly in regards the majority of military pensions taken by personnel with 20 year service dates in their mid-40s:

And concerns about cuts to military pensions included in the agreement have taken center stage. The deal calls for $85 billion in total savings over the next decade, including $6 billion from reducing cost-of-living adjustments by 1 percent for military retirees younger than 62.

According to House budget aides, the proposal would reduce lifetime retirement pay by about 6 percent for a man who enlisted at age 18 and retired at age 38 as a sergeant first class in the Army — leaving him with about $1.626 million in lifetime retirement pay instead of $1.734 million

But John McCain (R-Ariz.), one of the few senators who served in the military, dismissed the outcry, noting that even high-ranking Pentagon officials have acknowledged the need to rein in the cost of military benefits, from pensions awarded after only 20 years of service to the military health program known as TriCare.

A coalition of retired senior military officers backed up McCain’s argument Tuesday, arguing that the changes will help control ballooning military personnel costs that have doubled since 2000, despite a 10 percent reduction in the active-duty force.

[On Guard for Thee]

Christ even Boehner has come to realize just how f'ed up the republicans are. A faint hope perhaps. It;s also quite pathetic that some folks sit here in Canada availing themselves of one of the best socialized health care systems on the planet, and then bad mouth it. If you happen to live in London it's not far to the US border, bugger off.

[Shady]

as always, you don't know what you're talking about! Read the RedState linked article/quoted extract... your trumped-up bluster won't prevail!

but hey now: Senate vote just in a few minutes ago... the bill that passed in the Republican controlled House has also now passed in the U.S. Senate, with 9 Republicans voting for it: Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Susan Collins (Maine), Orrin G. Hatch (Utah), John Hoeven (N.D.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.), Ronald Johnson (Wis.), John McCain (Ariz.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Rob Portman (Ohio).

I'm so confused... all the ShadyFluster&Bluster over the need for pension reform... apparently, that doesn't extend in this case! Wonder why? How about some perspective, particularly in regards the majority of military pensions taken by personnel with 20 year service dates in their mid-40s:

You won't get an argument from me that John McCain is wrong for siding with Senate Democrats in their effort to cut benefits from verterans and disabled veterans. Surely there are other areas to cut instead of taking from people assigned to fight in wars across the globe, that in many cases, come back injured for the rest of their lives.

I don't understand why they would block an amendment correcting the problem by closing a loophole

[Shady]

Christ even Boehner has come to realize just how f'ed up the republicans are. A faint hope perhaps. It;s also quite pathetic that some folks sit here in Canada availing themselves of one of the best socialized health care systems on the planet, and then bad mouth it. If you happen to live in London it's not far to the US border, bugger off.

You're acting absurd. I made no such availing of anything.

[bush_cheney2004]

You won't get an argument from me that John McCain is wrong for siding with Senate Democrats in their effort to cut benefits from verterans and disabled veterans.

It's long been expected that Congress would attempt to "bend the curve" on entitlement programs, including generous veteran retirement benefits. But like other entitlements, it is political suicide. Most people would accept changes for future service members, but not current retired and/or disabled. Senator McCain has always been about taxing "free" health care benefits and raising military Tr-Care premiums, unchanged since 1980's.

[Shady]

It's long been expected that Congress would attempt to "bend the curve" on entitlement programs, including generous veteran retirement benefits. But like other entitlements, it is political suicide. Most people would accept changes for future service members, but not current retired and/or disabled. Senator McCain has always been about taxing "free" health care benefits and raising military Tr-Care premiums, unchanged since 1980's.

Agreed. But you'd think even Democrats would understand the difference between military and regular government employees. And refusing to close a tax loop hole to illegal immigrants to fix military beneftis as about as scum sucking low as it gets. But it seems that's what the Democrat party has turned into. It's all about votes for them.

[bush_cheney2004]

...But it seems that's what the Democrat party has turned into. It's all about votes for them.

The Democrats feel that the vote calculus favors them, because although illegals can't vote, millions of Hispanic citizens/supporters can and do vote Democrat. Conversely, current and retired military tend to vote Republican, and will be very motivated by threatened reductions to their retirement benefits.

Where the Democrats really messed up the calculus is with the ACA Obamacare. They may pay dearly for this debacle.

Edited December 22, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[Argus]

You won't get an argument from me that John McCain is wrong for siding with Senate Democrats in their effort to cut benefits from verterans and disabled veterans. Surely there are other areas to cut instead of taking from people assigned to fight in wars across the globe, that in many cases, come back injured for the rest of their lives.

I don't understand why they would block an amendment correcting the problem by closing a loophole

You whine about the golden pension plans we have for the public service in Canada but then defend the far more generous plans of the US military? Twenty years? You can't retire on a full pension after 20 years here, that's for sure! And you can't collect a pension at 38. In fact, you need 35 years of work for a full pension and can't retire on it till 60.

And despite all the flag wavers, the fact is the vast majority of US military personnel never face any particular danger on their jobs. Only a fraction are combat forces. There are far, far and away more clerks and truck drivers and maintenance workers and supply and human resources people than there are at the pointy end of the stick.

Edited December 26, 2013 by Argus

[Shady]

You whine about the golden pension plans we have for the public service in Canada but then defend the far more generous plans of the US military? Twenty years? You can't retire on a full pension after 20 years here, that's for sure! And you can't collect a pension at 38. In fact, you need 35 years of work for a full pension and can't retire on it till 60.

And despite all the flag wavers, the fact is the vast majority of US military personnel never face any particular danger on their jobs. Only a fraction are combat forces. There are far, far and away more clerks and truck drivers and maintenance workers and supply and human resources people than there are at the pointy end of the stick.

I consider somebody that is sent off to fight in a war a little different than government beaurocrats and paper pushers. I think if you're going to send people off to possibly lose their life, or come back missing limbs, etc, the least you can do is pay for their medical care, etc.

[jacee]

I consider somebody that is sent off to fight in a war a little different than government beaurocrats and paper pushers. I think if you're going to send people off to possibly lose their life, or come back missing limbs, etc, the least you can do is pay for their medical care, etc.

Tell Harper that.

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[GostHacked]

Yeah, but Obamacare!

(And, for the sake of another esteemed poster: Canada!)

That sums up the next 20-30 pages easily. Let's check back in later !!!

[Shady]

Tell Harper that.

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Tell what to Harper?

This is about the Democrats, issuing benefits to non-citizens over American citizens that risk their life in the line of duty.

[jacee]

Tell what to Harper?

I think if you're going to send people off to possibly lose their life, or come back missing limbs, etc, the least you can do is pay for their medical care, etc.

This is about the Democrats, issuing benefits to non-citizens over American citizens that risk their life in the line of duty.

No reason to get smug about what the US is or isn't doing if we're not treating our veterans any better!

Injured Canadian veterans booted from military before they qualify for pensions

Edited January 1, 2014 by jacee

[bush_cheney2004]

No reason to get smug about what the US is or isn't doing if we're not treating our veterans any better!

Why not ? That's what many Canadians do to feel better...you now...like all those "Surrey jokes".

[jacee]

Why not ? That's what many Canadians do to feel better...you now...like all those "Surrey jokes".

Don't know about that, but you should be talking to Shady.

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