Justin Trudeau & Red China

[waldo]

no problem... I accept your acknowledgement that you can't support your claim... that you can't point to a specific point in your linked video that shows a SunNews reporter asking a specific question. Hack on, hey!

[Guest Derek L]

no problem... I accept your acknowledgement that you can't support your claim... that you can't point to a specific point in your linked video that shows a SunNews reporter asking a specific question. Hack on, hey!

Has Trudeau refuted the Sun News report?

[waldo]

you can keep repeating that forevah! It simply reinforces you can't support your post, your link... your claim! State the point in the video where a SunNews reporter asks a question... it's a simple request of you. Is there a problem?

[Guest Derek L]

you can keep repeating that forevah! It simply reinforces you can't support your post, your link... your claim! State the point in the video where a SunNews reporter asks a question... it's a simple request of you. Is there a problem?

Has Trudeau refuted the Sun News report?

Anytime now.....

[waldo]

Anytime now.....

although you haven't provided anything to support your statement, claim, quoted link, referenced video... you stand by it... you stand by it until you see a presumed refutation of something you can't show actually occurred! Well done - I do believe this is a new low for... even for you!

[Guest Derek L]

although you haven't provided anything to support your statement, claim, quoted link, referenced video... you stand by it... you stand by it until you see a presumed refutation of something you can't show actually occurred! Well done - I do believe this is a new low for... even for you!

For clarification, you’re questioning the validity of the Sun News report, yet refuse to answer if the subject of said report has refuted it…….You’re boring me Waldo.

[waldo]

For clarification, you’re questioning the validity of the Sun News report, yet refuse to answer if the subject of said report has refuted it…….You’re boring me Waldo.

of course, this is nothing new for Harper Conservatives and their acolytes, hey? Soldier on, Derek L!

[Guest Derek L]

of course, this is nothing new for Harper Conservatives and their acolytes, hey? Soldier on, Derek L!

Has Trudeau, like Martin in your link, refuted the Sun report?

[waldo]

keep barking! You can't support your statement, claim, linked reference, linked video - you can't! Your continued fall-back to validate your big-time fail is to double-down and reinforce your lack of support!

as I said, as I challenged you to do... if you want a serious discussion on mandatory minimum sentencing, strike up one of the past related MLW threads... and do so. Of course, you refuse to do this as you have absolutely no intention of shifting from your partisan parrot act.

[Shady]

Waldo calling somebody out for a "partisan parrot act"? I think the hypocrisy meter just exploded.

[waldo]

mister half-truth calling someone out for calling someone out for a "partisan parrot act"!!! I think the ironic meter just exploded.

[PIK]

2:35 of the off script video. But watch the whole thing.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/11/20131120-092653.html

[PIK]

Here is a nother one explaining it .If being simple minded gets protection for the kids then simple minded is the way to go.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/2849155857001

[Rue]

What liberal does. It seems the lib judges in this country do not seem to understand how evil that is. So now he has angered the chinese canadians, the moderate muslim, women that were totally insulted with his meet justin day, and now parents. Keep it coming justin.

Its a b.s. issue. One of the thing the right t ries to do is suggest it has a monopoly on law and order. They do not. In fact true conservatives if we are to use that word do not want lots of laws or people going to jail. They are not about police states. They are about less government. This is why conservatives go extreme sometimes and even go Libertarian. They feel their true beliefs are being watered down. In fact law and order is a Liberal concept if we use Liberal in its original form as in the state expressing the vision for humanity not individuals.

All that said, its well and good for any politician to call for law and order. That is a cheep stunt. Its demogoguery at its worst. Everyone wants pedophiles in jail. Its a cheap vote getting stunt to say you want them in jail.

What Harper and law and order people will not acknowledge is if you put a mandatory jail term on pedophiles you will need to build more jails.

We all want pedophiles locked up. No brainer. Now, talk about the additional prison space you would need. Have you ever heard the law and order people discuss that? You ever hear Harper level with we great masses and state if we implement mandatory minimum jail sentences we need to raise taxes to create prisons?

Does anyone realize that people today with "mandatory" sentences are in fact released because there is no room in prison for them? You do realize that?

Do the people who want minimum prison sentences for ANY criminal know that you can implement laws that give these sentences but until you build more jails they are still released?

Any politician can get a quick "hell yah" calling on longer jail terms for pedophiles. That is not the issue-building prisons for them is.

I am smack in the centre of politics. I do not think any of the three parties have been direct and candid about the lack of jail space or how much money its going to cost to fix the prisons we have let alone build more.

For those of you who think the current fed Conservatives are for law and order go find out how much money they have cut from correctional services resulting in more convicts being released early.

Its all political bs.

As for Trudeau he can go to China and ask them how to set up prisons.

Edited November 27, 2013 by Rue

[PIK]

Its a b.s. issue. One of the thing the right t ries to do is suggest it has a monopoly on law and order. They do not. In fact true conservatives if we are to use that word do not want lots of laws or people going to jail. They are not about police states. They are about less government. This is why conservatives go extreme sometimes and even go Libertarian. They feel their true beliefs are being watered down. In fact law and order is a Liberal concept if we use Liberal in its original form as in the state expressing the vision for humanity not individuals.

All that said, its well and good for any politician to call for law and order. That is a cheep stunt. Its demogoguery at its worst. Everyone wants pedophiles in jail. Its a cheap vote getting stunt to say you want them in jail.

What Harper and law and order people will not acknowledge is if you put a mandatory jail term on pedophiles you will need to build more jails.

We all want pedophiles locked up. No brainer. Now, talk about the additional prison space you would need. Have you ever heard the law and order people discuss that? You ever hear Harper level with we great masses and state if we implement mandatory minimum jail sentences we need to raise taxes to create prisons?

Does anyone realize that people today with "mandatory" sentences are in fact released because there is no room in prison for them? You do realize that?

Do the people who want minimum prison sentences for ANY criminal know that you can implement laws that give these sentences but until you build more jails they are still released?

Any politician can get a quick "hell yah" calling on longer jail terms for pedophiles. That is not the issue-building prisons for them is.

I am smack in the centre of politics. I do not think any of the three parties have been direct and candid about the lack of jail space or how much money its going to cost to fix the prisons we have let alone build more.

For those of you who think the current fed Conservatives are for law and order go find out how much money they have cut from correctional services resulting in more convicts being released early.

Its all political bs.

As for Trudeau he can go to China and ask them how to set up prisons.

It is the jugdes that are the problem.

[On Guard for Thee]

Crime drops for 40 years, Harper reckons we need more prisons, duh?

[On Guard for Thee]

Just a cheap sleazy way to scam a few votes from those who only hear the 24/7 news and don't know the facts. We\ll end up with a few thousand pot smokers with their lives wrecked while Rob Ford drives home too pissed to realize he's also stoned on crack. And the beat goes on.

[Keepitsimple]

What Harper and law and order people will not acknowledge is if you put a mandatory jail term on pedophiles you will need to build more jails.

We all want pedophiles locked up. No brainer. Now, talk about the additional prison space you would need. Have you ever heard the law and order people discuss that? You ever hear Harper level with we great masses and state if we implement mandatory minimum jail sentences we need to raise taxes to create prisons?

Does anyone realize that people today with "mandatory" sentences are in fact released because there is no room in prison for them? You do realize that?

Above are your key points. The Conservatives have already made investments over the next 5 years to add 2700 spaces to the prison system......so that will take care of most of your concerns.....and the pedophiles will be locked up. It's tiresome to hear the opposition refer to Texas - that they realize that throwing people in prison doesn't work. That's because Texas has 6 times the incarceration rate of Canada. Canadians would be outraged if they knew that when a violent thief is sentenced to 9 years, statutory release means he can only serve 6, can receive full parole after 3 years and in fact, could be out in the community after 2 years. So - like they describe in the US - their actual sentence is 2-6 years - not 9. Canada is finally taking some baby steps to grudgingly move the pendulum back towards the center.

[guyser]

Canadians would be outraged if they knew that when a violent thief is sentenced to 9 years, statutory release means he can only serve 6, can receive full parole after 3 years and in fact, could be out in the community after 2 years.

Sorry, that isn't true.

CSC has the ability to refer inmates on violent charges to the parole board who can hold them for the full sentence if it is felt they would re-offend.

[PIK]

We still need new prisons. The one we have are old and full and that does not help anyone. We need cleaner safer prisons.And certain crime has gone down other have not and perverts are on the rise.

[Smallc]

Are federal prisons full?

[Keepitsimple]

Sorry, that isn't true.

CSC has the ability to refer inmates on violent charges to the parole board who can hold them for the full sentence if it is felt they would re-offend.

Technically you are right but it's ass backwards......they have to be let out unless there is a really strong case to keep them in. That's why it's referred to as statutory release. That's not the way parole is supposed to work - you're supposed to prove that you're worthy of parole.

[Keepitsimple]

In answer to Small C's question "Are the prisons full"......I think the answer is "almost" - but the 2700 new spaces over the next 5 years should keep things under control. But here's an interesting article that says where things stand, albeit one year old:

According to the most recent statistics released by Correctional Service of Canada, there were 15,023 inmates in federal prisons on Sept. 30, 2012, slightly below the national capacity of 15,160.

And while the total number of federal inmates has grown somewhat over the past several years, the number of federal inmates per 100,000 people is virtually unchanged over the past two years.

Critics opposed to holding violent criminals more accountable for their crimes predicted prison populations would swell by more than 3,000 inmates over the past three years. And while numbers have inched up slightly, the doomsday scenario shopped around by groups like the John Howard Society and by opposition MPs still hasn’t materialized. And it’s now been five years since the Tories began bringing in tougher sanctions.

In 2007, the federal government banned conditional sentences — or house arrest — for certain types of violent crimes and brought in new mandatory minimums for a number of offences.

The critics said federal prisons would soar as a result. It never happened.

In 2008, the Tories brought in the Tackling Violent Crime Act, which included more mandatory minimums for certain gun crimes and tougher drunk driving laws.

Again, Opposition MPs and the hug-a-thuggers said it would cost taxpayers billions to build more federal prisons.

Mark Holland, Liberal MP for Ajax-Pickering, called the crime crackdown a “roadmap to disaster.”

“I think what we’re going to be doing is creating crime factories with our prisons,” he said in 2008 after the Tackling Violent Crime Act was brought into force.

But still, no surge in federal prison populations.

In February of 2010 The Truth in Sentencing Act was proclaimed into law. Remember that one? That’s the law that eliminated two-for-one pre-trial credit — the one critics insisted would cause federal prison populations to soar.

It didn’t happen. We have seen modest increases in federal prison populations. But on a per capita basis, the numbers are largely unchanged.

Link: http://www.winnipegsun.com/2012/10/11/federal-prison-population-still-below-capacity

Edited December 5, 2013 by Keepitsimple

[PIK]

We can't forget about the new prisons harper is building for the eco freaks.

[Keepitsimple]

We can't forget about the new prisons harper is building for the eco freaks.

....and the "friends of the CBC"....check it out if you haven't seen it:

Link: http://blogs.canoe.ca/lilleyspad/politics/friends-of-cbc-and-their-bigoted-ad/