cybercoma Posted September 23, 2013 Report Posted September 23, 2013 It's kind of hard to know what Shady is referring to. Exactly. How should I know that Shady is referring to something entirely different from what the opening post is about? If Shady has an argument to make, he should make it, instead of coming into threads and dropping stupid nuggets of sarcasm. But he doesn't do that because then he would have to justify his ideas and support his claims. It's easier not to make them explicit and just sarcastically criticize other people's positions. Quote
guyser Posted September 23, 2013 Report Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) . What we do know is that InSite has provided addiction treatment to many people by referring them to the appropriate places for help (ie, OnSite, their affiliated treatment clinic) and InSite has stopped people from dying by providing a medically supervised safe place to inject. This has also cleaned up the streets of discarded drug paraphenelia, such as discarded and possibly infected sharps. The federal government has absolutely no right to use people' sincome taxes to fund Insite in Vancouver. This isn't something that benefits Canadians. It benefits a single city and not even that, but only a single part of that city. This is nothing more than bribing Canadians with their own money for votes I would think the above is now simply rhetoric when one doesnt like the money spent the way they think it should be, notwithstanding the apparent success and or improved capabilities of said city. Edited September 23, 2013 by Guyser2 Quote
cybercoma Posted September 23, 2013 Report Posted September 23, 2013 The federal government is saving money thanks to InSite. Its operational costs are also almost entirely funded by BC Health, who--guess what--have jurisdiction over health care. Quote
guyser Posted September 23, 2013 Report Posted September 23, 2013 The federal government is saving money thanks to InSite. Yes they are. In the same vein the Feds will be recipient of increased taxes from the increased productivity of TO. Its operational costs are also almost entirely funded by BC Health, who--guess what--have jurisdiction over health care. Correct again. The Feds have jurisdiction of infrastructure fundning. Ergo, money earmarked for this transit system Quote
G Huxley Posted September 24, 2013 Author Report Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) he federal government has absolutely no right to use people' sincome taxes to fund Insite in Vancouver. This isn't something that benefits Canadians. I Yeah sure considerably lowering HIV transmission and stopping overdose fatalities doesn't help Canadians. (sarcasm) Edited September 24, 2013 by G Huxley Quote
ReeferMadness Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 When it comes to opponents of In Site, their callousness is only exceeded by their ignorance. From the comments here, it's clear they don't know what In Site is about, they don't know how it's funded, they don't know how many lives are saved. And they don't care. After all, these are just junkies whose lives are being saved, right? :angry: :angry: :angry: When you review the history of drug enforcement, it becomes clear that it is a litany of ignorance, lies and thinly veiled racism. When Cory Monteith died of a heroin overdose, it wasn't simply the opioids that killed him. It was a combination of heroin and alcohol. In fact, most heroin overdose deaths are the result of heroin combined with another drug and often that other drug is alcohol. But all we hear is that it's a heroin overdose. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Bonam Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 thinly veiled racism. Racism? You pretty much lost all credibility by trotting that out. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) The plan is to make sure they don't spread HIV, aren't littering the street with needles, and hopefully live long enough that they eventually choose to enter rehab. ...and to have doctors/nurses around so if they OD or anything they will have medical help right there. HIV is also not the only disease spread by needle sharing. Edited September 24, 2013 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
cybercoma Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 Racism? You pretty much lost all credibility by trotting that out.He's right about drug enforcement in the US being thinly veiled racism. Quote
jacee Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 The federal government has absolutely no right to use people' sincome taxes to fund Insite in Vancouver. This isn't something that benefits Canadians. It benefits a single city and not even that, but only a single part of that city. This is nothing more than bribing Canadians with their own money for votesBy that reasoning, Vancouver should 'deport' all the junkies who come from outside the city. Naive head-in-the-sand reasoning Guyser, ignoring the fact of freedom of movement across the country and the well known migration of drug-seeking people to the heroin-rich Port of Vancouver. Quote
Black Dog Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 Guess I'm the only one who sees what guyser is doing here. Read the latest posts in the TTC thread in Local politics thread, you'll figure it out. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 No. It was obvious to people posting in both threads, but as the responses to him have shown, his argument is ridiculous. The most important counterpoint being that InSite ought to be expanded across the country. Quote
guyser Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) Merci BD. For the record Jacee, this InSite idea should spread across the country. Edited September 24, 2013 by Guyser2 Quote
Argus Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 The only way to win the "war on drugs" is to ensure that people cannot profit by supplying drugs illegally. The only way to do that is to supply them legally. Well, Singapore has done a decent job of winning the war on drugs by executing anyone caught with drugs... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 Well, Singapore has done a decent job of winning the war on drugs by executing anyone caught with drugs... They've also been doing a pretty good job winning teh war on basic human rights. Not sure that's the kind of place you'd want to live. Quote
Argus Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 What's free? InSite has been around for a decade and it sounds like you still have no idea what they do there. It's a safe injection site. That's not rhetoric. It's literally a place where people are supervised for their safety, Why is that in the public interest? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 When it comes to opponents of In Site, their callousness is only exceeded by their ignorance. From the comments here, it's clear they don't know what In Site is about, they don't know how it's funded, they don't know how many lives are saved. And they don't care. After all, these are just junkies whose lives are being saved, right? :angry: :angry: :angry: Yes, lives without value. Why should society care about such people? They are bound to die young anyway. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 This has absolutely happened. And it has taken drug addicts out of residential alleyways, parks, and schoolyards where they would leave dirty needles and paraphernalia, Work camps in the arctic would do the same thing... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 For the record Jacee, this InSite idea should spread across the country. Federally funded? Quote
jacee Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 Work camps in the arctic would do the same thing...Do you have any realistic solutions ? Quote
Guest Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 Well, Singapore has done a decent job of winning the war on drugs by executing anyone caught with drugs... Well, that's another option, sure. Quote
eyeball Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 Doesn't Singapore also prohibit alcohol? Perhaps Argus is holding them up as a model of consistency that we could follow...one way or the other. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Argus Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 Do you have any realistic solutions ? Who says they're not realistic solutions? The injection site isn't a solution at all. It simply perpetuates the illegal and dangerous activities. Using the word "safe" to describe injecting some of this stuff into your body is quite a misnomer. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) Who says they're not realistic solutions? The injection site isn't a solution ..."Work camps in the arctic ... " ???Oh please ... Edited September 24, 2013 by jacee Quote
Black Dog Posted September 24, 2013 Report Posted September 24, 2013 Who says they're not realistic solutions? The injection site isn't a solution at all. It simply perpetuates the illegal and dangerous activities. It's a solution to a specific problem. Are you expecting a panacea? Using the word "safe" to describe injecting some of this stuff into your body is quite a misnomer. It's a 100% accurate since it's not referring to the activity itself, but the circumstances in which it occurs. Quote
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