bleeding heart Posted September 3, 2013 Report Posted September 3, 2013 The haters are about as trustworthy as the lovers. All this is just typical of western retards trying to argue the middle-east from a position of authority from thousands of miles away. At the very best they achieve the intellectual level of hardcore sports fans. Go Israel! Boo Israel! Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
sharkman Posted September 3, 2013 Report Posted September 3, 2013 Who care if Russia is doing that? And this is your evidence of a policy change regarding Israel? ROFLMAO. Probably because the US will end up holding the bag if Isreal attacks yet another one of its neighbors. No, that is not my evidence of a policy change, I suggested it with four links, and there is plenty more but I realized that the responses were not more than shallow ROFLMAO types, and not worth researching further in response to. No one could come up with a president who's policy towards Israel is anything like Obama but it seems that common sense is not that common. Quote
BubberMiley Posted September 3, 2013 Report Posted September 3, 2013 So you agree that your links prove nothing?I agree that your links mean nothing, particularly the one where you lied and said the U.S. revealed secrets about Israel's plans to attack Iran. The article clearly stated that info was released by Wikileaks, not the administration. So either you didn't read it, or you're so consumed with hatred for Obama that you'll say anything against him. Haters gotta hate, I guess. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
sharkman Posted September 3, 2013 Report Posted September 3, 2013 I've just read several accounts of this story and have only seen where wikileaks released information on this after it had already been leaked by US officials. Can you show otherwise? Quote
BubberMiley Posted September 3, 2013 Report Posted September 3, 2013 Can you show otherwise?Every news article regarding the subject including the one you posted. You're just referring to unsubstantiated gossip that was spread by John Bolton, who is well known to enjoy just making stuff up to smear people with. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
sharkman Posted September 3, 2013 Report Posted September 3, 2013 Every news article, eh? Okay then. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2013 Report Posted September 4, 2013 Oh...Israel is treated differently by Obama & crew, alright. Kissing rear with the Muslim Brotherhood...telling Israel to return to pre-Six Day War lines...snubbing Netanyahu...I bet Israel can't wait until the next US election. And that in itself is worrying. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2013 Report Posted September 4, 2013 Further...a President that guts NASA and gives the agency a top priority of engaging Islamic nations so that they feel good about their scientific achievements is just this side of insanity. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
sharkman Posted September 4, 2013 Report Posted September 4, 2013 Something big will happen with Iran before then. Obama will pressure Israel and try to sabotage their efforts at the same time and he'll be completely out of the loop when they bomb Iran. He'll find out on the news I everybody else and finally realize that karma's a bitch. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2013 Report Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) Hey...if the 21st century is anything like the 20th, we have got a year left. Enjoy! Edited September 4, 2013 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted September 4, 2013 Report Posted September 4, 2013 Oh...Israel is treated differently by Obama & crew, alright. Kissing rear with the Muslim Brotherhood...telling Israel to return to pre-Six Day War lines...snubbing Netanyahu...I bet Israel can't wait until the next US election. And that in itself is worrying. None of those are changes in policy. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2013 Report Posted September 4, 2013 None of those are changes in policy. I'm not the one that will need the convincing. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
sharkman Posted September 4, 2013 Report Posted September 4, 2013 None of those are changes in policy. Maybe it would help if you define what the existing policy is and what a change would be? Quote
bud Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Posted September 4, 2013 this isn't about israel! serious! stop dragging israel into this! AIPAC Strongly Urges Congress To Back Syria Strike WASHINGTON - After weeks of quietly working behind the scenes to build support for U.S. military intervention in Syria, the American Israel Political Action Committee (AIPAC) formally called on Congress Tuesday to authorize airstrikes aimed at degrading the Syrian military's ability to use chemical weapons. the master has spoken and the servants will obey. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted September 4, 2013 Report Posted September 4, 2013 this isn't about israel! serious! stop dragging israel into this! AIPAC Strongly Urges Congress To Back Syria Strike WASHINGTON - After weeks of quietly working behind the scenes to build support for U.S. military intervention in Syria, the American Israel Political Action Committee (AIPAC) formally called on Congress Tuesday to authorize airstrikes aimed at degrading the Syrian military's ability to use chemical weapons. the master has spoken and the servants will obey. The whole pickle with 'degrading the Syrian military's ability to use chemical weapons' is that if you do drop a JDAM into a depot, you run the very real risk of releasing nerve agents into the open environment. This could run the spectrum from horrible to unthinkable depending upon which chemical weapon one releases inadvertently. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted September 4, 2013 Report Posted September 4, 2013 this isn't about israel! serious! stop dragging israel into this! AIPAC Strongly Urges Congress To Back Syria Strike WASHINGTON - After weeks of quietly working behind the scenes to build support for U.S. military intervention in Syria, the American Israel Political Action Committee (AIPAC) formally called on Congress Tuesday to authorize airstrikes aimed at degrading the Syrian military's ability to use chemical weapons. the master has spoken and the servants will obey. I think you've gotten who is the boss and who is the client state rather mixed up. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Rue Posted September 4, 2013 Report Posted September 4, 2013 I think you've gotten who is the boss and who is the client state rather mixed up. Yep when in doubt raise the Joooooooooo conspiracy theory. Brilliant. That's the best you have? A stale-dated anti-Semitic Jooooo conspiracy? Dah JOOOOOOZ is behind it? Dah JOOOOOOZ did it? Pathetic. Quote
dre Posted September 4, 2013 Report Posted September 4, 2013 Maybe it would help if you define what the existing policy is and what a change would be? 1. Soft, passive support for a 2 state solution. 2. Billions per year in aid 3. The vetoing of UN resolutions. 4. Actions to oppose Israels enemies (like the economic sanctions in place against Iran) Not to mention an unending barrage of tender and loving statements to the press... Like these... For the Palestinians, efforts to delegitimize Israel will end in failure. . . Palestinian leaders will not achieve peace or prosperity if Hamas insists on a path of terror and rejection. And Palestinians will never realize their independence by denying the right of Israel to exist.” As for Israel, our friendship is rooted deeply in a shared history and shared values. Our commitment to Israel’s security is unshakeable. And we will stand against attempts to single it out for criticism in international forums. Even while we may at times disagree, as friends sometimes will, the bonds between the United States and Israel are unbreakable and the commitment of the United States to the security of Israel is ironclad America’s commitment to Israel’s security flows from a deeper place -- and that’s the values we share. As two people who struggled to win our freedom against overwhelming odds, we understand that preserving the security for which our forefathers -- and foremothers -- fought must be the work of every generation. As two vibrant democracies, we recognize that the liberties and freedoms we cherish must be constantly nurtured. And as the nation that recognized the State of Israel moments after its independence, we have a profound commitment to its survival as a strong, secure homeland for the Jewish people. When I touched my hand against the Western Wall and placed my prayer between its ancient stones, I thought of all the centuries that the children of Israel had longed to return to their ancient homeland. When I went to Sderot and saw the daily struggle to survive in the eyes of an eight-year-old boy who lost his leg to a Hamas rocket, and when I walked among the Hall of Names at Yad Vashem, I was reminded of the existential fear of Israelis when a modern dictator seeks nuclear weapons and threatens to wipe Israel off the face of the map -- face of the Earth Those who threaten Israel threaten us. Israel has always faced these threats on the frontlines, and I will bring to the White House an unshakable commitment to Israel's security. That starts with insuring Israel's qualitative military advantage. I will insure that Israel can defend itself from any threat, from Gaza to Tehran Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
sharkman Posted September 4, 2013 Report Posted September 4, 2013 Okay then, with your definition of what makes up Israeli policy, I can understand why you think it's the same as it ever was. Quote
bud Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) I think you've gotten who is the boss and who is the client state rather mixed up. how so? the master is israel and its lobby group who pays millions to many in congress to obey its commands. an attack on syria is exactly what bibi and the zionist hawks want. they want assad, iran's strategic partner, to be removed. of all the lobby groups, AIPAC has the biggest influence over u.s.' foreign policy and their priority is what is best for the zionist hawks. Edited September 4, 2013 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
bud Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Posted September 4, 2013 as ron paul says: “The whole theory is we’re going to Syria because that’s the way you march into Iran,” Paul said in an interview with CNN on Tuesday. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
bud Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Posted September 4, 2013 who has more to gain if chemical weapons are used? especially since assad has been so-called winning the war? why would assad take the risk of using chemical weapons? all we hear about is the use of chemical weapons. yes, it was used, but by who? is there concrete proof that the chemical weapons were used by assad? why must we automatically believe it was his regime without proof? why isn't there talk about accusations of anti-assad groups using chemical weapons? for example, this one: Jabhat al-Nusra Rebels Admit Responsibility for Chemical Weapons Attack what about this report from may of this year: UN's Carla Del Ponte says there is evidence rebels 'may have used sarin' in Syria why is it difficult to believe that they would do it again? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
GostHacked Posted September 4, 2013 Report Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) We have several other Syria threads already. ,My apologies bud, thought this was a new thread for whatever reason .. Carry on ! Edited September 5, 2013 by GostHacked Quote
dre Posted September 5, 2013 Report Posted September 5, 2013 why is it difficult to believe that they would do it again? Not only that, but all of the bluster from Obama sets the US up to be tricked just like they were in Iraq. The FSA could even gas their own people, and watch the cruise missiles rain down on Assad. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Rue Posted September 5, 2013 Report Posted September 5, 2013 how so? the master is israel and its lobby group who pays millions to many in congress to obey its commands. an attack on syria is exactly what bibi and the zionist hawks want. they want assad, iran's strategic partner, to be removed. of all the lobby groups, AIPAC has the biggest influence over u.s.' foreign policy and their priority is what is best for the zionist hawks. Look who is on cue sing "its dah Jooz". Just pathetic you and Bleeding Heart trotting out that anti semite card. It also reveals your only agenda. Try blame anything in the Middle East not just on Israelis but a world Joo conspiracy. Get this clear Bud, your anti-Semite plots are spent and also get this clear whatever name you use we now see your agenda-incite hatred against Jews, no more no less. Hope JBG gets this when he encourages you to put your ads on public buses. Quote
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