The_Squid Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) Black ink for one quarter in the last five years is not exactly "profitable". https://www.canadapost.ca/web/en/blogs/announcements/details.page?article=2015/08/20/canada_post_segment_&cattype=announcements&cat=newsreleases The year 2014 is not a "single quarter". Prior to 2011, they ran a profit for 16 straight years. The Harper gov't ran Canada Post very poorly. http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/02/05/Ten-Myths-about-Canada-Post-Cuts/ Myth #2: Canada Post says it is no longer profitable. Fact: Since the mid-1990s Canada Post has been profitable every single year -- except in 2011 when the company locked out 50,000 of its workers in an effort to weaken the union and its contract. In that time, Canada Post has fed over a billion dollars into the public purse. Edited October 31, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
Bryan Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 The year 2014 is not a "single quarter". Prior to 2011, they ran a profit for 16 straight years. The Harper gov't ran Canada Post very poorly. You're conflating two separate things. No one is talking about scaling back Canada Post's other operations like parcel delivery. Those do make a profit, sometimes even enough to make up for the losses from mail delivery. You're right about Harper managing Canada Post's expenses though -- their employee costs are way too high, he should have cut their salaries drastically. Quote
Smallc Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 Prior to 2011, they ran a profit for 16 straight years. The Harper gov't ran Canada Post very poorly. Or, the 30% drop in mail volume... Quote
The_Squid Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 Or, the 30% drop in mail volume... 30% drop from 2010 to 2011? Quote
Smallc Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 30% drop from 2010 to 2011? No, a 30% drop from 2005 - 2015. Eventually, if that happens for long enough, you end up making losses. That bridge was crossed in 2011. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) No, a 30% drop from 2005 - 2015. Eventually, if that happens for long enough, you end up making losses. That bridge was crossed in 2011.And 2014 was a big profit to the tune of $200 Million. So the status quo is a moneymaker. The Internet was around way before 2011. And it was still around in 2014. So all this nonsense about needing to change home delivery is purely ideological. It can be a profitable company doing what it's doing. Maybe they need a contingency fund where they can keep some profits to use in years where there are losses. Instead, the CPC government threw their hands in the air and declared the sky was falling. Edited October 31, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
Smallc Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 So the status quo is a moneymaker. After almost doubling postage and moving hundreds of thousands of people to community mail boxes....with a 30% drop in mail volume over the next 10 years projected. Quote
Topaz Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 Go check how many VP's Canada Post has and at the cost of 10 million yearly. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 The year 2014 is not a "single quarter". Prior to 2011, they ran a profit for 16 straight years. The Harper gov't ran Canada Post very poorly. The only time they were not profitable is when they were in contract negotiations. How convenient. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 No, a 30% drop from 2005 - 2015. Eventually, if that happens for long enough, you end up making losses. That bridge was crossed in 2011. Sure. If that happens long enough, they'll be delivering negative amounts of mail. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 It can be a profitable company doing what it's doing. And why does it have to be profitable? Mail delivery should be a public service. Quote
Smallc Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 Sure. If that happens long enough, they'll be delivering negative amounts of mail. It's expected that letter mail will be near 0 in 30 - 40 years. Quote
Smallc Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 And why does it have to be profitable? Mail delivery should be a public service. If it delivers it to end of your block rather than to your door (as only 32% of Canadians have now) is it still not a public service? Quote
angrypenguin Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 And why does it have to be profitable? Mail delivery should be a public service. Then why charge for postage? Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Wilber Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 I'm wondering how it would work on an international basis if Canada was the only developed country without a postal service. We could be the only country in the world where other countries couldn't use their own postal service to send mail. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
The_Squid Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 I'm wondering how it would work on an international basis if Canada was the only developed country without a postal service. We could be the only country in the world where other countries couldn't use their own postal service to send mail. We would also be paying way more to use the service, especially in remote areas. Be prepared to pay the ripoff "brokerage fees" to clear customs that the couriers charge when you order something internationally. Privatizing Canada Post would be a disaster. Quote
Smallc Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 There's a sensible middle ground - community mail boxes. Quote
Big Guy Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) We are assuming that the technology for delivery will not improve. Wal mart is already applying for permission to use drones for delivery. It is only a matter of time until you will be relaxing in your bathtub at home when a small helicopter drone will work its way into your house, into your bathroom and drop your mail into your .... lap. Brave new world! Edited November 1, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Wilber Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 We are assuming that the technology for delivery will not improve. Wal mart is already applying for permission to use drones for delivery. It is only a matter of time until you will be relaxing in your bathtub at home when a small helicopter drone will work its way into your house, into your bathroom and drop your mail into your .... lap. Brave new world! That's what I am afraid of. We would also be paying way more to use the service, especially in remote areas. Be prepared to pay the ripoff "brokerage fees" to clear customs that the couriers charge when you order something internationally. Privatizing Canada Post would be a disaster. Yup, UPS brokerage fees are larcenous. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
G Huxley Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 And 2014 was a big profit to the tune of $200 Million. So the status quo is a moneymaker. The Internet was around way before 2011. And it was still around in 2014. So all this nonsense about needing to change home delivery is purely ideological. It can be a profitable company doing what it's doing. Maybe they need a contingency fund where they can keep some profits to use in years where there are losses. Instead, the CPC government threw their hands in the air and declared the sky was falling. Exactly. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Then why charge for postage? Exactly. Why charge postage if my tax money goes to running the company already? Quote
Wilber Posted November 2, 2015 Report Posted November 2, 2015 Exactly. Why charge postage if my tax money goes to running the company already? How much more tax do you want to pay so no one will have to pay postage? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
angrypenguin Posted November 2, 2015 Report Posted November 2, 2015 Exactly. Why charge postage if my tax money goes to running the company already? Because you should pay more for postage the more you use the system. It's not fair to just tax everyone the same to run that stupid organization. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
cybercoma Posted November 2, 2015 Report Posted November 2, 2015 Mail delivery is vital to a functioning nation. Quote
Boges Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Posted November 2, 2015 Mail delivery is vital to a functioning nation. Sure, but not necessarily to the doorstep. Quote
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