Bradley Manning gets 35 yrs for giving data to Wikileaks

[GostHacked]

Shady, on 21 Aug 2013 - 3:21 PM, said:

No, there were no "massacres"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_the_Iraq_War

or torture

etc. it gave a window into war. War is hell. Everybody knows that already. Oh and wow, diplomats can be unprofessional and childish. Everybody's shocked.

Edited August 21, 2013 by GostHacked

[Shady]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_the_Iraq_War

Your picture is from Abu Ghraib. That had nothing to do with Mannings leaks. Are you purposely trying to mislead?

[dre]

No, there were no "massacres" or torrure etc. it gave a window into war. War is hell. Everybody knows that already. Oh and wow, diplomats can be unprofessional and childish. Everybody's shocked.

The Granai airstrike, sometimes called the Granai massacre, refers to the killing of approximately 86 to 147 Afghan civilians, mostly women and children

Where I come from killing 100 women and children qualifies as a massacre. What would you like us to call it shady? Firewood? Pizza? Lawnmower?

massacrenoun [C]

/ˈmæs.ə.kər/ /-kɚ/

Definition

C2 an act of killing a lot of people

Edited August 21, 2013 by dre

[Shady]

Where I come from killing 100 women and children qualifies as a massacre. What would you like us to call it shady? Firewood? Pizza? Lawnmower?

Don't be obtuse. You know they weren't purposely targeting civilians.

[GostHacked]

Your picture is from Abu Ghraib. That had nothing to do with Mannings leaks. Are you purposely trying to mislead?

It was a response to your notion about no massacres or torture happened in Iraq. So I am only following your lead here.

Sorry.. it was a response to your response about Dre's post about Iraq.

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[Boges]

Just heard on the radio that now that Manning will be in the clink for a few decades he wants to go through gender re-assignment therapy.

:-/

[Guest]

He wants to be called Chelsea.

I would have preferred Loretta!

[sharkman]

Just heard on the radio that now that Manning will be in the clink for a few decades he wants to go through gender re-assignment therapy.

:-/

They don't allow that kind of shit in military prison do they?

[Shady]

He needs to pay for his gender reassignment himself.

[Boges]

He needs to pay for his gender reassignment himself.

In the US he probably will have to. I think it's covered in Canada though.

[Shady]

In the US he probably will have to. I think it's covered in Canada though.

It's covered in certain provinces under certain circumstances. I think you have to go through a psychological evaluation.

[sharkman]

I kind of doubt that the military prison system makes allowances for those who wish to cause a drain on the taxpayers for any reason, unlike the civilian prison system. Manning is also on record for intending to apply for a presidential pardon, so right now I think he's coming to terms with his new reality.

[Guest American Woman]

Just heard on the radio that now that Manning will be in the clink for a few decades he wants to go through gender re-assignment therapy.

:-/

Apparently he'd rather serve his time with women?

[Boges]

Apparently he'd rather serve his time with women?

It's funny because I just started watching the Netflix series "Orange is the New Black". In that series, about a women's prison, there's a character who used to be a man. The big debate in the show was this person getting continued hormone therapy in prison.

Can someone every be "legally" be considered a women, if born a man?

[Guest American Woman]

It's funny because I just started watching the Netflix series "Orange is the New Black". In that series, about a women's prison, there's a character who used to be a man. The big debate in the show was this person getting continued hormone therapy in prison.

Can someone every be "legally" be considered a women, if born a man?

Yeah, they can, if they go through the process of becoming a woman - and vice versa. Chastity Bono, for example, is legally a man.

[GostHacked]

Legally yes, biologically, not happening. You can have the parts, but still not be a man.

But he gets 35 years and now all the talk is about him wanting to change genders? Focus people.

[Boges]

Legally yes, biologically, not happening. You can have the parts, but still not be a man.But he gets 35 years and now all the talk is about him wanting to change genders? Focus people.

That's his fault. He's the one talking about it.

[Guest American Woman]

That's his fault. He's the one talking about it.

Someone should tell Manning to focus, eh?

[GostHacked]

That's his fault. He's the one talking about it.

Sure, but it's irrelevant to the fact of getting 35 years for the information he disclosed.

[dre]

Sure, but it's irrelevant to the fact of getting 35 years for the information he disclosed.

RIght but its a nice chance for authoritarian state power sycophants to get a little bit of subtle character assasination in against the guy that dared challenged their beloved authority. Same crap we saw from them with Snowden.

[Guest American Woman]

Sure, but it's irrelevant to the fact of getting 35 years for the information he disclosed.

It was raised in court as part of his defense, so it's not irrelevant to the case.

"During his trial, Manning's defense team suggested his struggles with gender identity as a gay soldier were a factor in his decision to leak." http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/22/convicted-leaker-manning-a-woman/2684009/

[sharkman]

RIght but its a nice chance for authoritarian state power sycophants to get a little bit of subtle character assasination in against the guy that dared challenged their beloved authority. Same crap we saw from them with Snowden.

Manning's own defence team used this issue in their defence. Now he's released a public statement about his desires, nothing subtle about it indeed. He's doing it to himself.

[Shady]

RIght but its a nice chance for authoritarian state power sycophants to get a little bit of subtle character assasination in against the guy that dared challenged their beloved authority. Same crap we saw from them with Snowden.

Nonsense. He deserves to be in prison. He broke the law. This gender reassignment stuff just illustrates how disturbed he is.

[GostHacked]

It was raised in court as part of his defense, so it's not irrelevant to the case.

"During his trial, Manning's defense team suggested his struggles with gender identity as a gay soldier were a factor in his decision to leak." http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/22/convicted-leaker-manning-a-woman/2684009/

If you buy that I got a sinkhole in Corne Bayou to sell you. I appreciate what Manning (or woManning) did, but this is a non issue and to me a complete bullsh tactic on his part. It's a suggestion, but not really fact or anything. I know you like facts and don't want to jump to conclusions. In the end, I am not sure why he is doing this. Makes no sense, but really has no bearing on the leaking of the material.

[Guest American Woman]

If you buy that I got a sinkhole in Corne Bayou to sell you. I appreciate what Manning (or woManning) did, but this is a non issue and to me a complete bullsh tactic on his part. It's a suggestion, but not really fact or anything. I know you like facts and don't want to jump to conclusions. In the end, I am not sure why he is doing this. Makes no sense, but really has no bearing on the leaking of the material.

I didn't say anything about whether or not *I* bought it nor did I jump to any conclusions. His defense team argued that it did have a bearing on his leaking the material, whether you agree that it did or not - whether it actually did or not. So it is relevant to the case, in spite of your saying otherwise, and that is a fact.