Terrorists alert

[Topaz]

By now, we've all heard about the terrorist alerts but one article I read said they are all FAKE. It state that the US government uses them for this own reasons at the time and has lied to it people and the world about BinLaden, who died way before the US says he did and this said by a former US intelligent agent. Thoughts? http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-washington-terror-threat/5344984

[GostHacked]

Heard about this, an I have a feeling nothing will happen. Not sure about the threats, but it does not feel right.

[cybercoma]

A lot of what you're saying is false. The terrorist threat could be very real, but you better believe they'll play up the seriousness of it just to give their domestic spying and all the lies they told some backing after-the-fact.

[kimmy]

A lot of what you're saying is false. The terrorist threat could be very real, but you better believe they'll play up the seriousness of it just to give their domestic spying and all the lies they told some backing after-the-fact.

Sadly this was my first reaction as well.

-k

[Argus]

I'm kind of confused by this. It seems to me that if you know there's an imminent attack planned for your embassy you secretly beef up security and minimize the number of endangered staff, but you don't tell everyone about it. What good does closing all those embassies do anyway? I mean, if I'm in the final stage of an attack on a US embassy and they close it for a week, am I going to just shrug, throw away my guns and go plant daisies? I'm either going to wait until it reopens and attack then, or maybe postpone it for a month or two till they're not ready for me, or attack some other American target instead, one that's maybe not prepared.

[GostHacked]

A lot of what you're saying is false. The terrorist threat could be very real, but you better believe they'll play up the seriousness of it just to give their domestic spying and all the lies they told some backing after-the-fact.

They had credible evidence and information that could have prevented the attack in Benghazi. They could not stop that, and if there was a real threat, the US would not be able to handle it.

And yes the timing is perfect with terror threats as a distraction from the NSA spy program. Most of the time when something this big happens, we see a threat to scare us and no worries the gov will protect us!!

[Guest Derek L]

What I find odd is that they even need to increase security at embassies in Middle Eastern & Islamic countries, fore unlike US embassies in the “West”, the embassies in those regions resemble something one would find along the Siegfried Line…..same goes with travel advisories…..

[jacee]

I just heard that the "chatter" is about a large strike ... or a series of smaller strikes.

In other words, there's no real plan of attack.

But if one doesn't happen it'll be because they were able to prevent it because they could track all the "chatter" they collected from citizens' phone/email/text data.

[Guest Derek L]

I just heard that the "chatter" is about a large strike ... or a series of smaller strikes.

In other words, there's no real plan of attack.

But if one doesn't happen it'll be because they were able to prevent it because they could track all the "chatter" they collected from citizens' phone/email/text data.

Are terrorists planning an attack or not, I don’t know……They have a few days left of Ramadan which is always a consideration when one wages Jihad, but by the same token, with all the NSA surveillance hubbub in the media, the “chatter” could also be attributed to the “terrorists” playing some sort of counter-surveillance game with the Great Satan………..Simply put, someone starts squawking from a cave in Dirka-Dirkastian, the West reacts without the terrorists even firing a shot…….

Do I think this is some sort of Alex Jones type, tin-foil hat conspiracy? Nah, I don’t give Western governments that much credit……

[jacee]

Are terrorists planning an attack or not, I dont knowThey have a few days left of Ramadan which is always a consideration when one wages Jihad, but by the same token, with all the NSA surveillance hubbub in the media, the chatter could also be attributed to the terrorists playing some sort of counter-surveillance game with the Great Satan..Simply put, someone starts squawking from a cave in Dirka-Dirkastian, the West reacts without the terrorists even firing a shot.

Do I think this is some sort of Alex Jones type, tin-foil hat conspiracy? Nah, I dont give Western governments that much credit

Unwise to dismiss the possibility.

The multinationals who give governments their marching orders, and their private armies and the government agencies (CIA, NSA; CIDA, CSIS) that support them, are fully capable of manufacturing crises to further profits.

Internationally, creating 'opportunities' for resource extraction involves toppling and installing governments, creating civil wars, displacing millions of people, embassy staff operating to further corporate profits and violate human rights, etc.

http://www.miningwatch.ca/news/canadian-complaints-office-should-investigate-destructive-large-scale-mining-project-ecuadorian

Do you really think they wouldn't create an alert or a crisis if it served their need?

I wonder what's being accomplished by this alert. I'm sure it serves some profit motive.

Edited August 5, 2013 by jacee

[Albert_Einstein]

The always insightful military historian Gwynne Dyer has made a convincing case that there is a mutual dependency between terrorist organizations and the security-military establishments in western countries (mainly the US but others as well). Security and military agencies would face budget cuts were it not for the fear generated by terrorist threats. And the terrorist organizations rely on aggressive western attacks and political interference to maintain their recruiting drives.

He has written many times on this topic but here is one example.

The reason I bring this up is that every time I read of one of these alerts, I truly don't know what to make of it. I've no doubt that there are lots of people out there would like to attack US embassies. However, the security agencies have shown that they can't be trusted to accurately assess threats or provide unbiased information. They will do whatever they deem is in the interest of "national security".

[Guest Derek L]

Unwise to dismiss the possibility.

The multinationals who give governments their marching orders, and their private armies and the agencies (CIA, NSA) that support them, are fully capable of manufacturing crises to further their profits.

Internationally, creating 'opportunities' for resource extraction involves toppling and installing governments, creating civil wars, etc.

And how much money is there in the conspiracy theory industry? I mean a reasonable person would expect that “They” would have silenced all the radio show hosts, bloggers and agent provocateurs giving away their secrets by now with their UN/NWO troops fast roping from the black helicopters on whisper mode…….

Of course, one has to be prepared for the actual conspiracies that only “They” know about

[Rue]

If they sit on information people bitch they are incompetent and

caught with their pants down.

If they release info people bitch they are liars and

creating false stories.

Fact is people will bitch either way and have no facts from which

they draw their conclusions.

I believe these threats are released to protect idiot tourists who want

to travel to these countries.

But then I am part of the Zionist illimunati shape shifting draco mason

Satanist blood sucking one government slave conspiracy so ignore moi.

Edited August 5, 2013 by Rue

[Albert_Einstein]

Here in Canada, authorities have managed to find our own homegrown terrorists to help maintain a base level of fear. The hapless "Toronto 18" consisted of a bunch of disgruntled young men who, among them, lacked knowledge and training to be a serious threat. The only people in the group who were capable of pulling off any serious acts of terrorism were the moles who led the group on a training exercise.

Shaikh, as an RCMP infiltrator, helped organize and operate it.

A video played in court shows him teaching members of the group how to safely handle a nine-millimetre handgun.

Shaikh said he insisted on a formal session because, he said, the trainees knew so little about guns he was afraid one would shoot himself in the foot.

Although Shaikh said the camp was serious and military in nature, he also acknowledged the recruits were not sophisticated, or even in good physical shape, describing the whole thing as a "potty training" exercise.

And now in British Columbia, there are a pair of nutbars who are accused of plotting to blow up the Legislature buildings. Again, these people have no knowledge or background that would indicate they were threats of any kind. But the arrests get headlines.

Investigative reporter Tevor Aaronson maintains that the FBI (and to a lesser extent the RCMP) make a practise of identifying disgruntled people who, left alone, have no means of committing significant acts of violence. An informant is sent in who can provide the means and, voila!, instant terrorists. Story Here.

[Guest Derek L]

If they sit on information people bitch they are incompetent and

caught with their pants down.

If they release info people bitch they are liars and

creating false stories.

Fact is people will bitch either way and have no facts from which

they draw their conclusions.

I believe these threats are released to protect idiot tourists who want

to travel to these countries.

But then I am part of the Zionist illimunati shape shifting draco mason

Satanist blood sucking one government slave conspiracy so ignore moi.

Frankly I think your post is a false flag intended to confuse and spread disinformation…….But then again, mine is simply a counter to your counter spread of disinformation………So that would mean mine is maybe the truth………Or what “They” don’t want you to interpret as the truth

*Disclaimer* Part of the military-industrial complex………Don’t believe me, I know who killed Kennedy…….The United Association of Hat makers and Head covers

[jacee]

And how much money is there in the conspiracy theory industry? I mean a reasonable person would expect that They would have silenced all the radio show hosts, bloggers and agent provocateurs giving away their secrets by now with their UN/NWO troops fast roping from the black helicopters on whisper mode.

Of course, one has to be prepared for the actual conspiracies that only They know about

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

It would have to be more subtle and covert wouldn't it?

But I'm sure you know that.

[Guest Derek L]

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

It would have to be more subtle and covert wouldn't it?

But I'm sure you know that.

Simply put:

To add:

But I will second the crux of Rue's point, the Government is damned if they do and damned if they don't.....simply look at the response to the attack on Benghazi.......If Obama had of increased the terror alert level, it would then simply be because he was playing politics during the election....

Edited August 5, 2013 by Derek L

[dre]

I'm kind of confused by this. It seems to me that if you know there's an imminent attack planned for your embassy you secretly beef up security and minimize the number of endangered staff, but you don't tell everyone about it. What good does closing all those embassies do anyway?

Yeah but you want to keep the public frightened. Scared people are really really stupid, and terrorism has been an opportunity to take trillions of dollars from Americans, and turn it over to large corporations.

Secretly beefing up the embassies might make a lot of sense from a security standpoint, but from the standpoint of bilking tax payers out of their money, a big public alert is definately the way to go!

[sharkman]

But I will second the crux of Rue's point, the Government is damned if they do and damned if they don't.....simply look at the response to the attack on Benghazi.......If Obama had of increased the terror alert level, it would then simply be because he was playing politics during the election....

I don't think this is the issue. What the Administration should have done is: a) Send in help/reinforcements when the attack occurred, and there is plenty of evidence that they had many options in that regard, b)don't concentrate on the Youtube Video strawman strategy. Of course adapting to the threats as they led up to the Benghazi attack would also have been a real easy and effective response to make(not allowing the ambassador to travel, upgrading the security instead of blaming security budgets afterward)

And that leads us to today, with the unprecedented move to close 21 Embassies and Consulates instead of simply beefing up security and defences. In effect, a mere threat has had the effect that multiple attacks didn't last year, and what people may or may not be bitching about shouldn't sway policy. There are real lives at stake here, as well as the perceived strength of the US abroad. Closing embassies every time a religious holiday or anniversary breeds a new round of threats is not going to prove effective. For instance, the buildings will be much easier to blow up with no one home.

Edited August 6, 2013 by sharkman

[Shady]

Yeah but you want to keep the public frightened. Scared people are really really stupid, and terrorism has been an opportunity to take trillions of dollars from Americans, and turn it over to large corporations.

Secretly beefing up the embassies might make a lot of sense from a security standpoint, but from the standpoint of bilking tax payers out of their money, a big public alert is definately the way to go!

The public isn't frightened. And a terror alert for places thousands of miles away isn't going to get them frightened. Also, and I've noticed this from a lot of posters with a similar point of view. You like to keep inflating numbers. No, trillions of dollars isn't being "taken" from Americans and "given" to large corporations. That's pure hyperbole. Watch the Simpsons video I guess.

[Guest Derek L]

I don't think this is the issue. What the Administration should have done is: a) Send in help/reinforcements when the attack occurred, and there is plenty of evidence that they had many options in that regard, b)don't concentrate on the Youtube Video strawman strategy. Of course adapting to the threats as they led up to the Benghazi attack would also have been a real easy and effective response to make(not allowing the ambassador to travel, upgrading the security instead of blaming security budgets afterward)

And that leads us to today, with the unprecedented move to close 21 Embassies and Consulates instead of simply beefing up security and defences. In effect, a mere threat has had the effect that multiple attacks didn't last year, and what people may or may not be bitching about shouldn't sway policy. There are real lives at stake here, as well as the perceived strength of the US abroad. Closing embassies every time a religious holiday or anniversary breeds a new round of threats is not going to prove effective. For instance, the buildings will be much easier to blow up with no one home.

I'm not discounting the Obama administration's shitty response last year, there's threads where I chided it and refuted (prior to all the information being made public)those that said they had no avenues open to respond during the attack........what's at issue, is his political opponents would have made hay of the optics of increasing an alert during an election, those on the extreme left would have chided him for war mongering, well the conspiracy nuts in-between would be doing their thing….

[Smallc]

...and they still are doing their thing.

[Guest Derek L]

...and they still are doing their thing.

Exactly......damned if you, damned if you don't.

[sharkman]

I'm not discounting the Obama administration's shitty response last year, there's threads where I chided it and refuted (prior to all the information being made public)those that said they had no avenues open to respond during the attack........what's at issue, is his political opponents would have made hay of the optics of increasing an alert during an election, those on the extreme left would have chided him for war mongering, well the conspiracy nuts in-between would be doing their thing….

Fair enough I suppose, but the left/right reactions near an election are typical.

Edited August 6, 2013 by sharkman

[GostHacked]

The public isn't frightened. And a terror alert for places thousands of miles away isn't going to get them frightened. Also, and I've noticed this from a lot of posters with a similar point of view. You like to keep inflating numbers. No, trillions of dollars isn't being "taken" from Americans and "given" to large corporations. That's pure hyperbole. Watch the Simpsons video I guess.

So the Wall Street and corporate bailouts did not happen?