Law and Order in America

[Guest American Woman]

Don't worry. The cops aren't entirely stupid. Back in 2011 a Florida school called the cops because they caught kids kissing. The cops made notes but never laid any arrests. But seriously what leads a society to the point where schools call the cops on 12 year olds kissing?

Seriously, what leads a person to the point where they are so hyper-critical that they take one incident out of country of 312 million people and attribute it to the country's "society?" times infinity

FYI, one administrator in one school doesn't = schools, and one administrator in one school making one call does not represent U.S. "society" any more than one person's one time actions in Canada represents Canadian society.

Edited to add:

A Lethbridge man is cleared of running a huge grow-up when 1,624 plants seized by police proved to be daisies.

What leads a society to the point where cops arrest people for growing Daisies?

Edited July 14, 2013 by American Woman

[The_Squid]

What leads a society to the point where cops arrest people for growing Daisies?

Very true. It's disgusting how cops are that anxious and enthusiastic to bust a relatively benign drug. It does represent an arrest first, ask questions later mentality that is pervading policing.

[Guest American Woman]

Very true. It's disgusting how cops are that anxious and enthusiastic to bust a relatively benign drug. It does represent an arrest first, ask questions later mentality that is pervading policing.

If it were happening all the time it would, but it was a one time thing, so I was actually being facetious. One incident isn't representative of a whole society or of the whole police force or of the whole anything. It's kind of funny, though - especially since a bag of it was put on display during a news conference.

Edited July 15, 2013 by American Woman

[ChristopherJ]

american ignoramus,

I gave you a link. Are you going to comment or just dig your head further into the sand? You're belly deep now.

[Michael Hardner]

american ignoramus,

I gave you a link. Are you going to comment or just dig your head further into the sand? You're belly deep now.

ChristopherJ - please read the Rules and Guidelines, insults are not allowed.

[GostHacked]

What leads a society to the point where cops arrest people for growing Daisies?

Maybe not dasies, but tomatoes!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/vegetable-garden-brings-criminal-charges-oak-park-michigan/story?id=14047214

Julie Bass faces the prospect of going to jail for what she's growing in her front yard.

The illegal growth is tomatos. And zuchinis, peppers and other edible and what normally would be legal plants.

The officials in Bass' hometown of Oak Park, Mich., have charged her with growing "vegetable garden in front yard space." If convicted, she could spend up to 93 days in jail.

Bass said that the criminal charge "blew my mind." "Sometimes we laugh because it seems so silly and sometimes we cry because it's so pathetic. A lot of times it does not seem real," she told ABCNews.com.

[kimmy]

Article: 7 ways the Obama administration is accelerating the militarization of the police.

These come under 3 basic headings: ramping up the "war on drugs", supplying military-style equipment and weaponry for police forces, and supporting increasingly heavy-handed tactics.

-k

[GostHacked]

A warrant for not having cut the grass??

[GostHacked]

Chicago police in a lot of hot water ..

Stealing lots of money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ulDL5UykuM

Extortion of drug dealers in exchange for police protection.

[Bonam]

Don't worry. The cops aren't entirely stupid. Back in 2011 a Florida school called the cops because they caught kids kissing. The cops made notes but never laid any arrests. But seriously what leads a society to the point where schools call the cops on 12 year olds kissing?

Umm... what else could it be? Taboos ingrained into society from absurd religious notions, of course. Americans are conditioned from the age of 2 or 3 that violence and death are all normal and these are shown all the time in children's television shows and movies. On the other hand, kissing is "eeew" and normal human bodily functions, the natural beauty of the human form, are viewed as "sin" and restricted and censored. America is still trapped under the pall of puritanical notions.

[Guest American Woman]

Umm... what else could it be? Taboos ingrained into society from absurd religious notions, of course. Americans are conditioned from the age of 2 or 3 that violence and death are all normal and these are shown all the time in children's television shows and movies. On the other hand, kissing is "eeew" and normal human bodily functions, the natural beauty of the human form, are viewed as "sin" and restricted and censored. America is still trapped under the pall of puritanical notions.

Wow. I didn't know that about myself, all my family, friends, acquaintances, and fellow Americans. I guess it's true that you learn something new every day.

Perhaps you could provide a study or a poll or any evidence at all that shows this is what/how Americans think? I mean seriously, you do realize that this one person, this one incident, doesn't represent 312 million American, right?

Edited July 31, 2013 by American Woman

[Bonam]

Wow. I didn't know that about myself, all my family, friends, acquaintances, and fellow Americans. I guess it's true that you learn something new every day.

You're welcome!

[Guest American Woman]

You're welcome!

So that's all you've got, eh? Not surprising at all that you can't back up your ludicrous claim.

[Bonam]

So that's all you've got, eh? Not surprising at all that you can't back up your ludicrous claim.

Which claim do you find ludicrous?

[Moonlight Graham]

Wow. I didn't know that about myself, all my family, friends, acquaintances, and fellow Americans. I guess it's true that you learn something new every day.

Perhaps you could provide a study or a poll or any evidence at all that shows this is what/how Americans think? I mean seriously, you do realize that this one person, this one incident, doesn't represent 312 million American, right?

How is it not true, for the US and for basically all Western countries?

Your evidence: pick up any X-Men/Spider-Man/Superman etc. comic book marketed to children from the last 50 years. How many have physical violence in them vs how many show a bare breast? I guarantee zero or close to zero comic books by Marvel or DC marketed for children over the last half-century would show nudity. Similar for cartoons tv/films and other media for kids. Cap guns/water guns = ok, but dare not show little Johnny a nipple!

[Guest American Woman]

How is it not true, for the US and for basically all Western countries?

Your evidence: pick up any X-Men/Spider-Man/Superman etc. comic book marketed to children from the last 50 years. How many have physical violence in them vs how many show a bare breast? I guarantee zero or close to zero comic books by Marvel or DC marketed for children over the last half-century would show nudity. Similar for cartoons tv/films and other media for kids. Cap guns/water guns = ok, but dare not show little Johnny a nipple!

To begin with, he didn't say "all western countries," he said Americans. So since you feel it's basically all western countries, why don't you point that out to Bonam, telling him it applies to him? We'll see what kind of response you get and take it from there.

Which claim do you find ludicrous?

"Americans are conditioned from the age of 2 or 3 that violence and death are all normal and these are shown all the time in children's television shows and movies. On the other hand, kissing is "eeew" and normal human bodily functions, the natural beauty of the human form, are viewed as "sin" and restricted and censored. America is still trapped under the pall of puritanical notions."

[GostHacked]

"Americans are conditioned from the age of 2 or 3 that violence and death are all normal and these are shown all the time in children's television shows and movies. On the other hand, kissing is "eeew" and normal human bodily functions, the natural beauty of the human form, are viewed as "sin" and restricted and censored. America is still trapped under the pall of puritanical notions."

Let's try this.

There is a plethora of violent cop shows out there. Shootings, rape, terrorism ect ect ect ..

Dexter, NCIS, Any Law and Order show, ect ect ect ect.

And as stated, violence is a huge part of cartoons aimed directly at children. Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles, Transformers, ect ect ect..... Sure might be with the 'hero' kicking ass, but violence is accepted as a form of justice.

Now in direct contrast let's talk about a 'wardrobe malfunction' and the fallout from showing part of Janet Jackson's awesome boobage.

If I had a boy, I'd be more happy he was into boobs than violence. I've yet to see it where showing a boob causes death.

[Guest American Woman]

Let's try this.

There is a plethora of violent cop shows out there. Shootings, rape, terrorism ect ect ect ..

Dexter, NCIS, Any Law and Order show, ect ect ect ect.

And as stated, violence is a huge part of cartoons aimed directly at children. Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles, Transformers, ect ect ect..... Sure might be with the 'hero' kicking ass, but violence is accepted as a form of justice.

Now in direct contrast let's talk about a 'wardrobe malfunction' and the fallout from showing part of Janet Jackson's awesome boobage.

If I had a boy, I'd be more happy he was into boobs than violence. I've yet to see it where showing a boob causes death.

So you're saying that kids only in the U.S. play those games, watch those shows? Let's start there.

[GostHacked]

So you're saying that kids only in the U.S. play those games, watch those shows? Let's start there.

Did I say that it only affects kids in the USA? The quick answer is no. Don't forget we also have another member that says we in Canada even live on American media. So, go team USA.

But, as obvious as it is, I need to stress that we are in the US politics section so it makes sense to be talking about American children.

I think we are getting off topic here.

I'll throw this on . Some Cops do not even know what people's rights are. Dangerous situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spnPenjJvM4

[Guest American Woman]

Did I say that it only affects kids in the USA? The quick answer is no. Don't forget we also have another member that says we in Canada even live on American media. So, go team USA.

I was responding to a post that attributed such a mindset to Americans. I notice neither you nor MG responded to that, correcting him, saying it's true in Canada, too. Yet you both responded to my objection to it. So, ummmm, go team Canada.

But, as obvious as it is, I need to stress that we are in the US politics section so it makes sense to be talking about American children.

No, it doesn't - since comparisons to Canada were made as early as the third post in this thread; it's not about the U.S., but comparing the U.S. to everyone else. So yes, it makes sense to be talking about the problem as it affects us all, if that is the case.

So I'm going to stop right here. We'll take it further when you and MG ask Bonam if he attributes the same line of thought to Canadians - and then we'll have an accurate, all inclusive discussion.

Edited July 31, 2013 by American Woman

[GostHacked]

I was responding to a post that attributed such a mindset to Americans. I notice neither you nor MG responded to that, correcting him, saying it's true in Canada, too. Yet you both responded to my objection to it. So, ummmm, go team Canada.

I'll have to check again, but I thought we were in the American politics section.

So I'm going to stop right here. We'll take it further when you and MG ask Bonam if he attributes the same line of thought to Canadians - and then we'll have an accurate, all inclusive discussion.

If you have issues with what is posted by those you have mentioned, take it up with those posters? And it may take a a while to verify, but I am pretty sure we are in the US Politics section of the forum.

[GostHacked]

We can also talk about the TSA in regards to this Law and Order thread.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/31/travel/tsa-misconduct/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Let's get this out of the way straight off: The Transportation Security Administration is probably not going to top anyone's list of Favorite Federal Government Agencies.

And the stories of its failures spread faster than a speeding jetliner: TSA officers stealing money from luggage, taking bribes from drug dealers, sleeping on the job.

So it shouldn't come as any surprise that a new Government Accountability Office report, citing a 26% increase in misconduct among TSA employees between 2010 and 2012, is striking a nerve with some travelers who've had to endure the shoeless, beltless shuffle on the trip through security.

This is more than just a few bad apples. A 26% increase is quite significant.

[Bonam]

I was responding to a post that attributed such a mindset to Americans. I notice neither you nor MG responded to that, correcting him, saying it's true in Canada, too. Yet you both responded to my objection to it. So, ummmm, go team Canada.

Probably because my post never made a claim that my assertion was applicable uniquely to America. The attitude I remarked about is prevalent in most Western to countries to varying extents. As other posters mentioned, this thread is about America, and that is why I referred to America.

Edited July 31, 2013 by Bonam

[Guest American Woman]

Probably because my post never made a claim that my assertion was applicable uniquely to America.

So what you said, in your opinion, applies to Canada/Canadians as well? It applies to you, as a Canadian? If I were to throw your quote back at you, substituting Canada/Canadians for America/Americans, you would agree with it?

[Bonam]

So what you said, in your opinion, applies to Canada/Canadians as well? It applies to you, as a Canadian? If I were to throw your quote back at you, substituting Canada/Canadians for America/Americans, you would agree with it?

Feel free to make any generalizations about Canadians that you desire, I don't really care either way. Unlike some, I'm not filled with nationalistic fervor and don't become offended and defensive when someone makes a generalization I don't like.